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Episode 27: The Desire for an Origin is the Origin: Susan Gevirtz on The Guide School

Episode 27: The Desire for an Origin is the Origin: Susan Gevirtz on The Guide School

Update: 2025-11-25
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In episode 27, I talk with poet Susan Gevirtz about her childhood growing up in Los Angeles, within the two “religions” of Hollywood and Freudian psychoanalysis. We talk about her early experiences in the world of Hollywood films through her grandfather’s work as the musical director for Universal, and her sense, even as a young person, that the world that was presented to her was a made place, invented and therefore radically open to inquiry. We dig into her ongoing project, Guide School, a multi-faceted blended-genre manuscript that interrogates the longing for a “homeland,” and the unsatisfiable and therefore motivating desire for “origins” of all kinds - epistemological, historical, textual, and spiritual. Susan talks about her travels in Eastern Europe, the phenomenon of “the guide schools” in which tour guides are trained to present particular versions of history, and her encounters with the YIVO archive for Jewish Research of both Vilnius Lithuania and New York City. We end by discussing our somewhat vexed curiosity about Kabbalah, and mystical traditions in general, thinking together about how reading/writing as a practice of unknowing and infinite encounter might itself be a mystical tradition.

Books and institutions mentioned

Moses Maimonides: The Guide to the Perplexed: a New Translation, Translated and with Commentary by Lenn E. Goodman and Phillip I. Lieberman

Marc-Alain Ouaknin, The Burnt Book: Reading the Talmud

Jeffrey Veidlinger, In the Midst of Civilzed Europe: The 1918-1921 Pogroms in Ukraine and the Onset of the Holocaust

YIVO Institute for Jewish Research

Music by Ben Roberts: Benjamin.Roberts447@gmail.com

Comments and ideas to Juliealicecarr@gmail.com

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Episode 27: The Desire for an Origin is the Origin: Susan Gevirtz on The Guide School

Episode 27: The Desire for an Origin is the Origin: Susan Gevirtz on The Guide School

Julie Carr, Susan Gevirtz