Karen Lane and Parker Reed talk about how they got into climbing. Karen was tricked onto the climbing team at her local gym, and Parker first went climbing in the New River Gorge thinking that five feet between bolt placements was runout. They both survived, though, and went on to become fun, kind people who also happen to be able to give you beta on 5.13 trad routes. We also talk about what it’s like to walk the crag for four hours looking for a route, hyperventilate on a trad climb, go from being a good comp climber to being a good outdoor climber, and how to convince your parents to let you climb outside.