Norman Brannon and Steve Pedulla have both played in iconic and influential guitar based bands over the last 30 years (Brannon with Texas is the Reason, Pedulla with Thursday).

They’ve both turned to more academic pursuits (Brannon with writing and teaching, Pedulla behind the lens on News Broadcasts and Feature Length Films). But these two men have one more thing in common: they’ve both toured extensively as gay men, not yet “out” to the public or even the members of their own bands. This episode dives deep into the efficacy of band therapy, the stresses of touring while “in the closet,” and what it means to have healthy secrets.

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