We talk with Nik Sheen, Head of Optometry and Transformation at HEIW and previous Fellows on the Welsh Clinical Leadership Training Fellowship, Tim Morgan and Sarah Schumm, about their fellowship year, using the compassionate leadership principles as a manager in optometry and useful resources for opticians. This episode focuses on creating an understanding of how leadership forms an integral part of optometry and health care for our patients and explores how practicing compassionate leadership benefits patients and services in Wales.