Today we finally talk to the people in power. You have a comprehensive understanding of the problems, the successes, the people who are on the ground with their boots, activists who want to do better for the country. Now let's talk to the leaders in power, the people who wield the keys of change. Today we dive into the willingness to enact change on every level of government-- talking to Benoît Dorait, Guillaume Cliche-Rivard, Virginie Dufour and Jean-Yves Duclos. This episode might make you feel exasperated... so strap in for a fun ride.

Check out our written companion pieces on https://pivot.quebec, and please subscribe to the https://therover.ca and https://duoduet.substack.com ! 

Isaac Peltz: @isaacapeltz
Gabrielle Brassard Lecours: @gabettebl

All sound was mixed and mastered by Isaac Peltz & Gabrielle Brassard Lecours
All interviews conducted by Isaac Peltz & Gabrielle Brassard Lecours
This was made possible because of a grant by AJIQ!