In this episode of the Thread Podcast, co-hosts Hannah Desouza and Dr. David Pocta explore the theme of exile in God’s story, focusing on the exile of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms of Israel.  Next, they discuss the exile of Judah, which happened in four waves, with the first wave in 605 BCE when Daniel and others were taken to Babylon. Subsequent waves followed rebellions and the eventual fall of Judah, leading to a loss of organized Jewish presence. The exile, they explain, was due to disobedience, idol worship, and a failure to honor God. This theme of exile began with Adam and Eve and represents a longing to return to God’s presence.  In exile, God uses these seasons to bring transformation and reformation, stripping away idols like the temple, king, and promised land to restore a right relationship with Him. The episode concludes with the reminder that even in exile, God’s faithfulness remains, and He uses these moments to remind us of what truly matters in our walk with Him.

Topics Discussed:

• Reasons behind the exiles of the Northern and Southern Kingdoms of Israel.


• The Exile of Judah, which happened in four waves.


• They theological implications of exile, tying it to themes in the Old and New Testaments.


• The relevance of these ancient narratives to modern spiritual practices

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