On this episode we talk about our 17 years of marriage, and give some advice (kind of). We also reminisce on our stupidity in the early years, and surviving the suburbs with animal neighbors.

Specific topic discussed in this episode:

• (0:20 ) We recorded this episode on our 17th wedding anniversary. We discuss some random details from our wedding day.
• (5:00 ) We still like each other after all this time.
• (6:00 ) We talk about low points in our marriage, including flunking out of college, and squandering jobs, and getting pregnant before we were ready.
• (11:00 ) We tell the story about finding out we were pregnant and how it forced us to grow up really fast.
• (16:30 ) Sometimes you have to go through stupid things to force you to turn into who you’re supposed to be.
• (17:30 ) We talk about all the mice in our apartment in Ogden, Utah.
• (26:00 ) We talk about a hawk that lives in our yard, and other nearby animals (including cougars) even though we live in the suburbs.
• (33:00 ) We joke about how we don’t have advice, and then we give a little advice on surviving 17 years of marriage and 5 months of quarantine.
• (39:00 ) Our secret cure to having a boring marriage.
• (40:00 ) You need a lot of good things to overshadow one bad thing. So celebrate the good.