What does greatness look like? Is it talent, time, or something deeper? In this episode, I sit down with endurance legend and master coach Lisa Smith-Batchen to explore what greatness really means - and how it evolves as we do. With over four decades of coaching and ultra-running behind her, Lisa shares a wisdom-packed perspective on pushing limits, aging with intention, and chasing big dreams, no matter where you're starting.

Lisa is the first American to win the grueling Marathon des Sables and the first woman to have completed the Badwater Quad - covering 584 miles across Death Valley! She’s run across multiple states for charity, completed a 50-mile ultra in every state, and raised over $1 million for orphanages and clean water projects. But what’s just as remarkable is how grounded, present, and purpose-driven she remains through it all.

We dig into the transformative power of endurance sports—not just physically, but mentally and spiritually. Lisa opens up about what keeps her coming back to extreme challenges, the emotional shifts that come with aging as an athlete, and how learning to put yourself first might just be the most radical move of all. Whether you're training for your first 5K or simply trying to show up fully in life, this one’s for you.

🕓 Timeline Highlights

[3:55 ] – Lisa's 20-year coaching journey with Bob Becker and the bond beyond the miles
[6:45 ] – Getting cut from the team—and how it shaped her coaching philosophy
[9:25 ] – Breaking records and barriers: Badwater Quad, 50 ultras in 50 states, and running for causes
[12:15 ] – The path from average to good to great: Lisa’s simple but powerful growth model
[17:49 ] – Embracing evolution: letting go of who you were to step into who you're becoming
[29:01 ] – A moment at mile 132 that changed Bob Becker’s mindset—and maybe yours too
[34:00 ] – Why making time for yourself isn’t selfish—it’s essential
[41:15 ] – What keeps Lisa coming back to the edge of endurance: joy, clarity, and spiritual connection
[57:22 ] – Guiding a blind and deaf athlete through 140 miles—Lisa’s next adventure

🔗 Links & Resources

• Dreamchasers Coaching – Lisa’s personalized coaching platform

• Route 6640 Ultra – The 140-mile race Lisa will be guiding in November

• Badwater 135 – The world's toughest foot race

💬 Final Words

This episode offers far more than endurance talk—it's a blueprint for living with purpose, courage, and connection. If it struck a chord with you, be sure to subscribe and leave a review wherever you listen. And don’t forget - head to our YouTube page to subscribe and watch the full conversation. We’ve got more powerful stories coming your way, so stay tuned and stay on adventure.