Karen helps us understand the mindset that helped Marsha and Karen both live life unafraid of consequences. To explain, we head back to Karen’s back-to-the-land world in Braxton County where Karen and her lover Patty grew pot right out in the open, protected by what they called “The Magic Veil.” 

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I Was Never There is a Wonder Media Network production. It’s hosted by Jamie Zelermyer and Karen Zelermyer. It’s produced by Allie Wollner, Lindsey Kratochwill, Adesuwa Agbonile, and Liz Smith. It’s edited by Jenny Kaplan and Liz Smith. Our executive producers are Jenny Kaplan, Jamie Zelermyer and Karen Zelermyer. Production assistance by Alesandra Tejeda. Our music supervisor is Sarah Tembeckjian. The theme music is “Take Me Home, Country Roads” performed by Brandi Carlile, courtesy of Elektra Records / A Low Country Sound, written by John Denver, Taffy Nivert, William Thomas Danoff.