In this episode, Mark Willis shares how business owners can reclaim control over their cash flow and why conventional debt advice often misses the mark. Drawing on his own journey out of student loan debt, Mark critiques one‑size‑fits‑all repayment plans (including the popular “just pay it off” approach) and explains the infinite banking framework and his Debt Snowbank Method. This strategy structured whole life insurance to manage debt while building assets.

He and host Sam Sells also delve into the cost of fees on long-term savings, the gap between average returns and actual investor returns, and why genuine financial planning prioritizes client relationships over product sales.

Along the way, Sam outlines his affordable‑housing work and the show’s mission to redefine capitalism as a force for good, prompting a lively discussion of how smarter financing can help owners build resilience and reduce poverty. The episode closes with Mark’s playbook for business owners and an invitation to collaborate on future projects.

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