A conversation about tattooing between Mike Giant and Big Meas, both of Dayton, Ohio. Recorded in Mike's art studio on December 5, 2025. Topics discussed include: Seeing biker tattoos at 10 years old, flash, JD Crowe, line sheets for stencils, Boog, Jack Rudy, BJ Betts, trades, apprenticeship under Brian Brenner, lettering, Mr Cartoon, Bobby Tribal, Baby Ray, broom handles, Swindle magazine, Koolsville/Beatniks CC, Brian Everett/Route 66 Tattoo, Guy Aitchison, Paul Booth, East Side Inc, Seen, Kingpin seminar, respect among professionals, politics of opening a shop, Seventh Son Tattoo, Tattoo City/Ed Hardy, drugs, Norm, Art Work Rebels Tattoo, Jason Kundell, Grime, Primal Urge (Tim Lehi, Jef Whitehead, Jeff Rassier, Scott Sylvia), Everlasting Tattoo/Mike Davis, paintings of tattoo ideas, Josh Cook, specializing in lettering, moving into Asian themes, Angel Bustos, Nathan Kostechko, Filip Leu, Bill Canales, Mick Tattoo, Erik Reith, Horiyoshi II and III, cultural appropriation, Chris Trevino, Dave Lum, Horitaka, constructive critique, Javier De Luna, tattoo preservation, rates for tattooing/discounts/specials and social media difficulties.