In episode 8, “Agile Like a Hurricane,” Spark and Primus connect via the ChronoTalk with Janka Krings-Klebe and Jörg Schreiner, authors of The Antifragile Organization. Together they unpack why principles beat playbooks when the world won’t sit still. 

Discover the operating pairings behind real agility: adaptability & supercompensation, autonomy & accountability, diversity & redundancy, continuous learning & collective intelligence. Hear why transparency outperforms approvals, why “optimal” efficiency leads to fragility, and how two simple questions each week can rewire an organization’s reflexes. Less ceremony, more clarity. Less duct tape, more upgrades.

All voices and sound effects are generated with AI (ElevenLabs). The concept, cast and scripts are hand-crafted by Janka and Jörg, and then refined and quality checked with AI support (Chat GPT, Perplexity). All bot artwork generated by AI (ChatGPT) until the AI handler (Jörg) gave up and turned the results over to a human layouter (Janka).

Note: This episode includes a mention of our own book as a recommended resource.

The full transcript of the episode is available here:

https://www.co-shift.com/futureproof-episode-8/