Rajni Shah and Kharaini Barokka (Okka) discuss the complex relationships between listening, safety, harm, accountability, and trust. These topics are especially poignant because Okka and Rajni did not know each other before recording this episode of the podcast, and we hear them navigating in their own conversation some of the very questions they are reflecting on together.

During this episode, Okka refers to a map/booklet that Rajni sent by post prior to their conversation. You can download a copy of this booklet on the episode web page.

This episode is accompanied by a short offering, in which Okka shares some of her favourite daily wellbeing practices with listeners.

To read more about Okka’s work: http://www.khairanibarokka.com/. Follow Okka at @mailbykite on Twitter and Instagram.

Books and articles mentioned in this episode:

adrienne maree brown, Emergent Strategy: https://www.akpress.org/emergentstrategy.html

Khairani Barokka, 'The Grammar of Time Travel': https://catapult.co/stories/the-grammar-of-time-travel-column-khairani-barokka

For a transcript, full credits, and land/water acknowledgments for this episode visit the episode web page.

Episode themes

1. Introduction [00:01:05 ]
2. Arrival [00:05:11 ]
3. Meditation [00:09:04 ]
4. Questions [00:12:58 ]
5. Listening and trust [00:16:15 ]
6. Harm and safety [00:23:02 ]
7. Time and injury [00:26:25 ]
8. Being vulnerable [00:30:59 ]
9. Decolonial time, memory, and body [00:41:11 ]

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