Welcome to No Hacks – the podcast where experimenters and optimizers share their secrets about CRO, business experiments, and balancing life! In this episode, we sit down with Gerda Vogt-Thomas, co-founder of a CRO agency called Koalatative. Gerda shares her insights on managing risk, growth, and using experimentation to optimize both business and life.

Gerda starts by sharing her surprising journey into skiing, moving from a passionate dislike to a newfound love, which she compares to her career in CRO. Just as she learned to tackle steep slopes, she talks about how experimentation in business is often an uphill journey but one worth taking. Her mantra? Perfect isn’t necessary; progress is. This mindset shift is essential for anyone looking to grow personally or professionally while managing risk thoughtfully.

Throughout the episode, Gerda emphasizes the importance of testing ideas in real-world conditions. She discusses the pitfalls of perfectionism, particularly for entrepreneurs who obsess over perfecting a product before ever seeking customer feedback. Her advice is clear: don’t let the fear of imperfection keep you from launching. Testing and iterating are not only practical strategies for CRO but also essential life skills.

In a fascinating deep dive, Gerda talks about human biases and the impact of belief systems, suggesting that many of us are held back by unexamined thoughts and assumptions. By confronting these beliefs, she argues, we can make better decisions and achieve greater outcomes, both in business and in life. For those new to CRO, she also breaks down the essentials of experimentation, encouraging small steps and incremental testing, especially when working with limited data.

The episode wraps up with a fun rapid-fire segment, where Gerda shares her thoughts on balancing high-energy activities with calm routines to find a truly balanced life. From skiing to needlepoint, she believes variety and seasonality keep life engaging. Tune in for an insightful episode filled with practical advice, personal stories, and a fresh perspective on embracing experimentation as a path to growth and fulfillment.

00:00 Welcome to No Hacks 
01:30 Skiing Adventures and Life Lessons
03:42 Risk Management and Experimentation
05:47 Human Biases and Risk Assessment
07:14 The Importance of Experimentation in Business
10:12 Launching Products and Overcoming Fear
14:32 Balancing Gut Feel and Data in Business
17:39 Rapid Fire Questions
19:22 Applying CRO Principles to Personal Growth
24:10 Living a Balanced Life in a Digital World
26:54 Career Advice for Aspiring CRO Professionals

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