In this podcast episode, Kären and Gloria engage in a heartfelt conversation with guest John Wodetzki, who shares his journey as a pastor over the past 25 years. They explore themes of faith, personal struggles with anxiety and depression, and the importance of music and prayer in connecting with God. The discussion also delves into the challenges of burnout in ministry, the path to becoming a pastor, and the complexities of free will and God's sovereignty. Additionally, they address the nature of God, the problem of evil, and the authority of the Bible, including the differences between various translations and interpretations. The episode concludes with a thoughtful examination of the distinctions between Mormonism and Christianity, emphasizing the importance of understanding these differences in faith. In this engaging conversation, Gloria and Kären explore the complexities of faith, the role of the church, and the emotional challenges faced by pastors. They discuss the priesthood of believers, the importance of direct communication with God, and the emotional toll of pastoral care. The conversation also touches on the church's role in modern society, the challenges of sharing the gospel, and the humorous, human moments that occur in ministry.