We head back to Ecuador to explore a lesser-visited southeastern loop that moves from the high Andes into the Amazon in just a few hours. David and Tim swap rainforest lodge stories, then David sits down in Cuenca with Felipe from Two Degrees Expeditions to unpack a new, community-driven route that threads cacao and guayusa farms, light-adventure rafting, birding lodges, Shuar cultural experiences, and standout gastronomy in Saraguro.

Why listen:

• Discover how quickly you can link the Andes and Amazon in southern Ecuador

• Learn what “light adventure” looks like for families and curious first-timers

• Hear how Shuar and Saraguro communities are leading culture-forward, sustainable tourism

• Get ideas for unique stays, from river-perched rooms to forest cabins

Places and experiences mentioned

• Cuenca

• The Andes and the Amazon of southern Ecuador

• Cacao farm visit and chocolate tasting

• Guayusa farming and tea tradition

• Family-friendly rafting experience

• Shuar community visit and cultural exchange

• Saraguro town and Chamuico restaurant (six-course tasting)

• Lodges referenced: Rio Vida Lodge (Hualaquiza), Copalinga Forest Lodge

Responsible travel notes

• This route is intentionally community-based. Please book with operators who compensate local partners fairly and cap group sizes.

• Follow lodge guidance on river and rainforest safety, stick to marked paths, and use insect repellent that is rainforest-safe.

• Cultural photography: always ask permission, especially during ceremonies.

Connect with the guest

Book directly with Two Degrees Expeditions or find them on Instagram at 2 degrees expeditions.

Note: Some of the above are affiliate links. if you book using them you will not be charged any extra, but we will receive a small commission to help support the show.

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