Fantasy Suite Recaps! Plus, Netflix’s ‘Temptation Island’
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Juliet and Callie are back to break down Grant’s fantasy suites! First, they discuss Litia being the obvious front-runner of the show (02:14 ) before diving into a discussion on the Backstreet Boys’ new shows at the Sphere in Vegas (15:51 ). Then, Callie and Juliet give a pep talk to Juliana after she opened up about being cheated on in her past relationships (22:13 ). Finally, they talk about Netflix’s ‘Temptation Island’ reboot, discussing the therapist-like host, Mark Walberg, and the toxic men leading the show (31:52 ).
Hosts: Juliet Litman and Callie Curry
Producer: Olivia Crerie
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Welcome to Bachelor Party.
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I'm Juliet Lippin.
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I'm here with Cali Curry.
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Hi, Cali.
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How are you?
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Hola.
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I am great.
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Wow.
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Great.
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Love to hear it on this on this Monday.
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We're going to chat Bachelor.
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We're going to talk about Temptation Island.
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I think there's some Temptation Island buzz out there.
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Not a ton, but it was number three on Netflix as we get.
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I think there's a good amount of buzz.
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It's an insane show.
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It's all over my tech talk.
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All my group chats are talking about it.
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Oh, interesting.
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I even got Seth to watch it.
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Did he like it?
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He said it might be the greatest dating show.
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That's out.
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That's actually absurd.
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We'll get into it.
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I'm excited to discuss, but if you haven't watched Temptation Island, maybe pause and go watch it and come back to the pod.
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It's a combination of the ultimatum to hot to handle and like intervention.
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Like the host Mark Wahlberg is like very serious.
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He's amazing.
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We all and all my group chats and Seth, we all agree that he might be the best host.
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Wow.
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He is the goat.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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We're going to be so good.
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He is very good.
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I read some interviews that also made me think he's even his greatness is even more so than I realized.
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But let's talk about the Bachelor first.
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We didn't get too deep into it last week.
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So it's only appropriate.
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Couple things on Bachelor Nation before we get into the episode.
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First of all, remember the article about how the show is like totally toxic.
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Yeah, those people are out.
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Yeah.
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So Bennett, Grabner and Claire Friedland are now out there.
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The show runners.
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Bennett has been with the show a very long time.
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He was part of the Chris Harrison era, he's part of the Mike Price era.
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He's sort of like the last like person remaining from those days.
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Left the real guard.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So that's actually really, I think, a very big change.
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And I don't know what it means for paradise.
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Like I don't know who's going to be running that.
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I don't know what it means for the franchise going forward.
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I'm sure they've other people lined up, but it's like a pretty big deal in my opinion.
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It reminds me of that show.
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Unreal.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I feel like Unreal was based off of these two characters, even though I don't know if Claire's been around that long, but based off of these two characters, and they finally got like caught in our now out.
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Yeah.
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I loved Unreal.
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Unreal was great.
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I mean, I just want to note, Unreal is based on the Bachelor, and based on the Bachelor experience is not specifically based on Bennett and Claire, just to be clear.
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But based on other people who were real.
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Yeah.
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That's why I said I don't know if Claire's been around long enough, but she has it because she used to work on Bachelor Canada.
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It is what the show is like based off of.
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Not them specifically, but season.
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The early season is like one and two.
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The woman who wrote Unreal worked on the Bachelor.
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So I wonder what's going to happen though.
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What happens to the show and how do they read?
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How do they redirect it?
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I don't know, but it's, it is very big news.
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Well, I think they're lucky that next up is Bachelor in Paradise, which is like pretty much a guaranteed hit.
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So at least they have a softball to start.
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I really hope it's a guaranteed hit.
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I mean, if it's not, what are we doing?
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It's not at Sao Lita.
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It's not in Puerto Vallarta.
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If it's not, then we're not a good sign.
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Yeah.
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It's coming this summer.
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That's what I've heard.
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Come in.
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In the Bachelor Act slot.
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So like, it's not like August is early summer.
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So great stuff.
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Okay, let's talk about Grant in Paradise, aka the Dominican Republic.
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He had three dates, obviously.
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He had, in the order it was shown, I think this is the order it went.
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It was, I forgot to call her Gabby.
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Juliana.
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Juliana.
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Then Zoe.
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Then the preeminent front runner.
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Let's you.
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I mean, it's just insane.
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He's like, he could barely talk to Latia.
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When he told her he was in love with her, he was like, I felt like we were watching a man climax.
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I was just like, he loved her.
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Yeah, I think that it is basically, I don't see a world where she doesn't win.
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I think she was.
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I think they're together.
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It would be really, really surprising.
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Apparently, Juliana had some weird TikToks this weekend.
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She did.
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I saw them.
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What was happening in them?
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She was like, first time posting a TikTok in a long time.
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I think it was a Monday or something.
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Yeah, Monday.
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Was there a month?
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Did it help to the days of the week, my friends?
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No, it was a Monday.
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The women tell all?
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Oh, women tell all.
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That's why.
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I was like, for some reason, she wasn't on TV.
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It was a women tell all.
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And so she was like, haven't been happy on a Monday in a long time.
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So she was basically saying, first Monday, I've been happy because I'm not watching myself on TV.
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It was kind of like, oh, so you don't win.
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Right.
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I think she seemed like salty and things had gone badly.
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She does not seem happy.
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How she was in the TikToks was very obviously she can't say anything, but fuck this show.
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It's kind of the vibe we got.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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She seemed pissed, which made me wonder did she actually win?
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And some people think that maybe she won and they broke up right away.
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Right.
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I guess there's a world where he picks her and then it's like, what am I doing?
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I'm obviously in love with the Tia.
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It seems like he's doing damage control because he's doing a lot of interviews about how, yeah, about how like he, it wasn't a coin flip, even though that's sort of in the narrative that's out there.
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So that actually leads me to believe he's still with whoever he chose and he's trying to like protect their relationship.
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So maybe it is Latia.
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He clearly is so much more interview than anyone else.
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Latia, it wasn't a coin flip.
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Sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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It's so obvious that he is obsessed with her.
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Like he thinks she's the most beautiful person he's ever seen.
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By the way, their connection does seem like real.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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Like it seems like she's really into him.
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It seems like he cares about her.
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I think the only thing that makes it a coin flip is this whole Mormon thing and he has that in the back of his head where he's like, oh my god, like,
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well, my life not be normal or whatever it is.
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Right.
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Also that she wants to have kids immediately because she's very old at the age of 31, which is old for Mormons.
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But that's the only thing.
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So I don't think it's like, who do I love more?
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I think he's like obsessed with Latia, wants to be with Latia.
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I think it's more of like a headverse heart thing and his head's kind of like, is this smart?
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Yeah.
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I'm not saying he doesn't care about Juliana at all, but it's just so clearly Latia.
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He's also said a real information deficit because he doesn't know anything about being Mormon.
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So like all he knows is like this like scary thing that's like very different from how he grew up and can even Google.
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Yeah.
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He can't Google anything.
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So he is immersing on the producers information.
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Who knows what they're telling him?
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I wonder what they are telling him.
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Like if you're a producer with the bachelor, I think that you just do anything you can to get an outcome or there's a proposal.
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Like that's all that's the only goal.
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Yeah, but don't you want it to there to be some drama too?
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So like are you trying to like make him like second guess it a little bit?
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Yeah, you got to be like, so what do you need to like ask leading questions and then like not give full answers basically?
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Yeah.
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So like are you prepared to give up coffee?
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Oh, you didn't know.
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Oh, no coffee.
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You can have soda though.
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You can go to a swig and get 17 pumps of sugar.
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And then like, you know, he's like, oh, so what like how how do you feel about the undergarments when you guys are having sex?
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And he's like undergarments.
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I wonder if she wears those.
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But yeah, that's the thing like I feel like big at the mercy of the producers.
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And I feel from watching this that it is Latia, but he is scared about like the unknown of her life.
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I think when she told him that she's willing to leave Utah was like a really big deal.
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Or Colorado or whatever it was.
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Like she was like, I'm willing to live elsewhere.
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He seemed very relieved by that because I feel like I'm sure the producers were like, yeah, they don't leave.
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You've got to live by their family and all remember all those people you met.
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They all live.
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That you're living with them now.
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I was surprised that he's basically like, I need to move back to New Jersey where my dad is.
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Like he, I forget who he said that too.
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But he basically was like, I think it was still it.
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I think it was.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think it was because he was explaining that he's basically still going through like rehab and away.
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Although his dad's on the next episode.
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So he at least traveled to the Dominican was dad was on this episode.
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Right at the end.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, he's he seems good.
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I guess I've no wait.
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I mean, I know we have no way of knowing.
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It's like 10 seconds on TV.
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He's present.
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That's true.
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He's present.
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He's talking.
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I mean, sure.
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I'm sure he has a lot of work to do based off what Grant has said.
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But I'm just saying he seems like he's like in a healthy enough spot.
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Maybe not to be by himself.
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And maybe that's why Grant's like, I want to still be there and like see him through this.
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But I think it's great that they've obviously rehabbed their relationship a lot.
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Yeah, definitely.
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And the grant just see the one he talks about his family and like how he just felt so like lonely.
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Just really sad.
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I want him to feel like he's got like a stable family that he can rely on and feel included in.
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So I do really want that for him.
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But I thought that their conversation was just so weird at dinner because it just seemed like he was like nervous to say stuff.
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But also then when they would finally get it out, there was so much relief.
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I guess it was both really into each other.
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Yeah.
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I think they also seem like nervous.
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Yeah.
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Like she definitely does not want to know what's happening.
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No.
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And also Katie told her it called her to not find out.
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Yeah.
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Which also I was like, okay.
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You give the winner to Latia.
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I know.
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I have the exact same thought.
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You the second runner up to Juliana.
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Yeah.
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It's fun.
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Come on.
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The girl that we don't remember.
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I remember Rachel.
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She was cool.
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I think she had to go to the hospital on one of their dates.
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I recall correctly.
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She did.
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I don't remember.
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But I was just like, we know who's winning.
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Yeah.
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It's true.
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It was total.
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How horrible was it when?
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Which clearly Zoe knew.
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So that made it a little bit better.
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And maybe Grant told her that he has stronger connections, but he's just like doing a process, whatever.
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But when he was like, I'm like fully in love with one, but did I go with the other one I have feelings for?
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I'm like, oh, so Zoe's just like not here.
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You haven't eliminated her, but she's not an option.
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Zoe's off the table.
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She's not even on his mind.
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Which is funny because in some ways, I thought she had the best date.
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Like she got to have like a beach breakfast picnic in the next morning.
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She hated the yoga.
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I think he hated it too.
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They both hated that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He hated it too, but he was he wasn't going to say anything.
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He was just going to go with it.
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And Zoe was like, that was so awkward.
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Also, he was like, yeah, I was for the girl he spent the least amount of time with.
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He had the date where you don't speak like that was.
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I guess he's like really doesn't like her and he was like, how do we keep the conversation to a minimum?
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Yeah.
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He was he wasn't all of the girls hated their dates.
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Like Julianna was really worried about her hair, which she called her out on.
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Zoe hated the yoga and Latia didn't want to do anything like this.
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Absolutely hated the zipline.
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Yeah, I hated the zipline.
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Also, she was like, I wouldn't say I'm adventurous.
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I was like, huh, I'm not.
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I'm not super adventurous.
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I don't mean either.
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But I was a player that from a partner.
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Yeah, especially at the beginning.
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I know this is sort of like they're close to an engagement.
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So you should like be past the beginning.
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But I just don't understand like, she'd be like, yeah, I'd rather just like walk around.
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Keep it.
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Keep my feet on the ground.
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Also, that's just sort of like textbook dating.
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Everyone goes, does shit and pretends to like shit at the beginning of a relationship that they don't actually.
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That's fair.
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They want the other person to like that.
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I'm really, yeah, I'm so into this.
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I can't even tell you the number of times in my life.
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I've watched movies that I've no interest in and pretended I liked for a guy.
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I'm trying to think, what have I pretended to like?
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I'm sure there's something.
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It's just like something everyone does because you want to find common ground.
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You want to see him like a yes person.
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I think I think I pretended to like video games, but then I actually started to like them.
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I hate video games that bridge too far for me.
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I could never.
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I don't like them now.
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But in college, I think I pretended to and then I started to actually like them.
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I just spent time watching boys play video games in college and wanted to kill myself.
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Only the thing I think about is like maybe like some music that I wasn't really into.
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That's another big one people lie about for sure.
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Yeah, oh, I love that band too.
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Yeah, let's go to the concert.
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I feel like concert is not a band, but maybe like a rapper.
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Sure.
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Okay.
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But also, I feel like you can't really be like, yeah, I don't like live events.
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Like if someone's like, do you want to go see this show?
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You have to say, yes, it's like you got to be like a year into dating.
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You're like, yeah, I don't like going to live music.
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I'd rather stay home.
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Do people not like going to live music?
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Maybe let's hear.
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I only like going if I have a VIP experience.
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So I only want to.
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Wow.
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I'm sorry.
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It's true.
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I don't want to be in Jen pop.
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I don't want bad seats.
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Then like, what's the point?
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I don't know.
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I love live music.
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And now you do, but I bet you also mostly have a VIP experience.
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VIP seems extreme, but yeah, I generally will like have good seats, I guess.
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But I don't need to be backstage.
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It's my point.
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Me neither, but I like you want to be backstage pulling up in a golf cart to your seat.
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No, I don't want that.
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I want to be in the friends and family section.
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I wanted to like know someone connected to the artist who's given me tickets.
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I'm fine not even being in the friends and family section though.
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I will go to a concert and sit in good seats.
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And I'll go to a concert.
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I don't even know very much music too clearly, but as long as they're good singers, but I've been to some really bad ones.
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Yeah, I think it's just also partially because I'm cheap.
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Like, if I get really good tickets, I'm good, but like I'm not usually paying for that.
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So.
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Oh, yeah, that's fair.
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That's why I needed to be in the friends family section.
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But like, once I went with friends to the actual boys in Vegas the first time and my friends bought the tickets.
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They were really good seats.
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And it was one of the best nights of my life.
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So there's that.
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Actually boys are going to the sphere.
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I fucking know.
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I don't think I can go, but I've been thinking about it for like some say analysis.
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I'm just like, what do I do?
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Like, should I just throw everything I think is right to the wind and just make it to the sphere for one night to the actual boys?
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So I have wanted to go to the sphere for so long.
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But I don't know any of those artists that have been performing there.
00:17:35
Like, I think it's been like the Eagles fish.
00:17:37
Yeah.
00:17:38
Fish.
00:17:39
Yeah.
00:17:39
I don't put it name a song from either of those.
00:17:42
This is the first pop group that they're having.
00:17:44
When they announced Backstreet Boys.
00:17:46
First of all, that's the first concert I've ever been to in my life.
00:17:49
That's my first one.
00:17:50
AJ threw a rose into the crowd and I caught it.
00:17:53
That's awesome.
00:17:54
I don't know how old I was probably like 14.
00:17:56
My first concert was 98 degrees.
00:17:58
And I love Backstreet Boys.
00:18:00
Backstreet Boys had so many more songs in InSync.
00:18:03
I hate that InSync is like more well known because Backstreet Boys is so much better.
00:18:07
I think Justin Timberlake is the most famous of the 10 people, but I do not think InSync is more well known.
00:18:12
I think the Backstreet Boys, I know that the Backstreet Boys have this universal appeal.
00:18:18
And I fucking Kelly is getting to bed.
00:18:22
I've been fighting this more for 25 years.
00:18:27
And let me just tell you, I watched the Saturday night live concert.
00:18:32
It was dead in there until the Backstreet Boys came out and everyone was so happy.
00:18:36
Adam Sandler was just shouting out the words Jerry Seinfeld.
00:18:41
The Backstreet Boys are also phenomenal live.
00:18:44
In the last like six years, I've seen them like three or four times, including going to Vegas twice.
00:18:49
And they're amazing.
00:18:50
I think you need to go to the sear.
00:18:52
I'm going to.
00:18:55
I love the Backstreet Boys so much.
00:18:56
My kids know their songs because I play them, which is so great.
00:19:00
I wanted that way as one of the most important pop songs of all time.
00:19:05
We went to a Hornets game with friends like maybe two weeks ago and the Backstreet Boys came on.
00:19:12
What song was it?
00:19:13
I don't know what it was.
00:19:15
But playing is my heart.
00:19:16
No, it was like more upbeat.
00:19:19
And carnival arts.
00:19:20
I don't think so.
00:19:23
I can name every song.
00:19:24
I'll have a video of it.
00:19:25
So I'll let you know by the end of this pod.
00:19:27
But a friend that was with us like an older guy was like, how does she know the words this?
00:19:32
And I was like, yeah, let me play it in our house.
00:19:35
We're at Backstreet Boys' household.
00:19:37
I am a Backstreet Boys' household as well.
00:19:39
I'm like, I'm sitting next to my dresser right now.
00:19:42
And like I have like three Backstreet Boys shirts here, including one that's like a vintage one that someone bought for me.
00:19:47
Like I love them.
00:19:48
Yeah, I don't have any vintage Backstreet Boys shirts, but I love Backstreet Boys.
00:19:54
And when they got announced this year, I was like, done.
00:19:57
You got everyone I know is so excited.
00:19:59
And it's been extended multiple times.
00:20:01
Like, I just love them so much.
00:20:03
I gotta try to go.
00:20:05
We'll see.
00:20:06
I mean, did you have a crush on any of them?
00:20:08
Well, did I or do I?
00:20:15
As a young as a young person, I was really into Brian and Nick.
00:20:17
Ultimately, I've always been a Nick girl, like always.
00:20:20
But I'm definitely not into Brian anymore.
00:20:24
But me either.
00:20:25
Kevin is so.
00:20:26
Oh, yes, he's the hottest Backstreet man.
00:20:31
Also his dance moves are really good.
00:20:32
And he is like the emotional center of the group.
00:20:35
I've studied this a lot.
00:20:37
Yeah.
00:20:37
And I did not know that I was, I was, you made a mistake opening up this conversation.
00:20:43
Julia, it's Backstreet Boys fandom.
00:20:45
I was also a Brian girl growing up.
00:20:47
Yeah, because he had like cute little moves.
00:20:49
He had the beautiful voice.
00:20:50
As I've learned more about him, I'm less interested.
00:20:53
Kevin, on the other hand, I've learned more.
00:20:56
I'm very interested.
00:20:57
At their most recent tour, they did this like extended bit.
00:21:00
We're like Kevin, like changes on stage, like behind like a screen.
00:21:05
And I'm just like, it's really weird.
00:21:08
But I'm like, yeah, Kevin is the hottest one.
00:21:09
He's the hottest Backstreet.
00:21:10
Yeah, it's for sure.
00:21:11
That's right now.
00:21:13
He's also the oldest.
00:21:14
He's aging so well.
00:21:15
Guess how old he is?
00:21:16
Well, I feel like we grew up with them.
00:21:19
So I would guess he's 45.
00:21:20
Callie, he's 53.
00:21:23
Wow.
00:21:24
He looks great.
00:21:26
He really looks great.
00:21:27
53.
00:21:28
He's 20 years older than me.
00:21:30
Almost.
00:21:31
That's crazy.
00:21:31
I hate to bring it to you, but you're 35 and a half.
00:21:33
Yeah.
00:21:34
Well, if he's 53 and a half, that's 18 years.
00:21:37
That's crazy.
00:21:38
I thought he was like, I thought max 10 years older than me.
00:21:42
He looks so good.
00:21:44
Wait, so was he like 30?
00:21:46
He was listening to him.
00:21:47
He was 21 when the band started and it was 12.
00:21:50
So it was weird.
00:21:50
They were like together all the time.
00:21:52
That's so weird.
00:21:54
21.
00:21:55
I know.
00:21:55
And I was three when the band started, well, then it didn't take off.
00:21:59
So I was like nine then probably.
00:22:00
They were really popular in Europe for a while.
00:22:02
And then they got big in the US.
00:22:04
Interesting.
00:22:06
But yeah, they, they, Nick is now 44 and he started starting when he was 12.
00:22:11
So can you imagine like touring with a 12 year old?
00:22:15
It's.
00:22:15
No, and you know, I'm sorry that I just going so deep.
00:22:19
I see this chair Brian for a time was Nick's legal guardian when Brian turned 18 and they were on the road.
00:22:26
And Nick was like 15.
00:22:28
Nick was just because I think he needed like someone with him.
00:22:33
Also, Nick's family life has been very, very.
00:22:35
Yeah.
00:22:36
Yeah.
00:22:36
So it's just a whole crazy thing.
00:22:39
And Brian and Nick were really close.
00:22:41
And then they had like basically like a falling out because Brian met his wife on the set of the as long as you love me video.
00:22:46
So they've been together a long time.
00:22:48
And like that was really hard for Nick when Brian like fell in love and got married.
00:22:55
Interesting.
00:22:55
Wow.
00:22:55
I'm here if you want to talk back to you boys.
00:22:57
Well, I hope that you make it to the sphere.
00:23:01
If not, I will send you videos.
00:23:02
Oh, no, I, I'm going to have such deep film if I don't make it to the sphere, but it's just really hard for me to see it happening.
00:23:09
I don't know.
00:23:09
We'll see.
00:23:10
It was way easier when I lived in LA.
00:23:12
So close.
00:23:12
Callie now.
00:23:14
Like listening to her own videos on her own.
00:23:18
No, it's harder.
00:23:19
I understand.
00:23:20
But it's tell me why.
00:23:23
I wanted that.
00:23:25
So you're right.
00:23:26
I think you just thought one of the greatest songs of all time undefeated.
00:23:30
Back to the bachelor.
00:23:32
Back to the bachelor.
00:23:33
Let's talk about Juliana for a minute.
00:23:36
She said that she's like still like messed up from being cheated on.
00:23:39
I couldn't help but think of you.
00:23:41
I think we need a hotline for a woman under 30 who are like devastated by being cheated on.
00:23:46
They just need to call you and you give him a pep talk.
00:23:49
I knew this was going to come up because as I was watching it, give her a pep talk right now.
00:23:53
As I was watching it, I was thinking like, this is not worth your tears.
00:23:58
Like I can't.
00:23:59
If I was there, I'd be like, your tears for another day.
00:24:03
Another song.
00:24:11
Kids, Bob has a great version of that.
00:24:12
Everyone gets cheated on.
00:24:13
What are you doing?
00:24:16
What are we doing?
00:24:18
When you're in your 20s, it's literally the time for that to happen.
00:24:23
Cheat.
00:24:24
Get cheated on.
00:24:25
Do whatever you want.
00:24:27
Like late teens, I'd say.
00:24:29
Late teens and year 20s.
00:24:31
I don't.
00:24:32
I just have no expectation for any guy under 28.
00:24:38
And that's being so nice.
00:24:39
To remain faithful for a long period of time.
00:24:42
Especially through Unemptation Island.
00:24:45
More than that.
00:24:45
Like what are we thinking?
00:24:49
In college, what?
00:24:51
The first time that they've never had to like check in with their parents when to come home.
00:24:56
Like they finally have freedom to do whatever they want.
00:24:59
And you think they're going to get in their bed and just go to sleep and be like, I'm so happy I have a girlfriend who's not here.
00:25:05
And there's a hot girl in the dorm room next door.
00:25:08
But let me just go to sleep.
00:25:09
Like sure.
00:25:10
Are there guys that are out there?
00:25:13
Yeah.
00:25:13
There are guys that are out there that are exceptional and do that.
00:25:18
I just, when I hear that it happens, I'm just like, I see it.
00:25:23
He's like, yeah, you may have sucked.
00:25:25
You may have disappointed.
00:25:27
I'm just like, I understand.
00:25:29
I understand.
00:25:30
I'm not saying that it feels horrible.
00:25:35
I didn't eat for a week when I got cheated on college.
00:25:38
And if someone asked me about it, I probably would have cried.
00:25:40
But when I was like, by the time I was 28, how old is Julianna?
00:25:44
I think she's the 27 or 26 looking it up right now.
00:25:49
Stand by.
00:25:49
Yeah, by the time I was that age, I was kind of like, uh, yeah, it all happens for a reason.
00:25:56
And I actually believe that it led you here, Julianna.
00:26:00
Maybe it'll lead you to paradise because it's probably not going to leave you to the grant.
00:26:04
But no, I've ruled that out.
00:26:06
Um, when she's like, I haven't had a night like that with a guy in a while.
00:26:10
I'm like, so have you just like sat it out completely because this guy fucked you up?
00:26:16
Yeah, I hope that's not the case because she is really cute as a great family.
00:26:20
So great support system.
00:26:21
She seems pretty fun.
00:26:22
Yeah, I like Julianna.
00:26:25
Yeah, me too, but without her, it would be really boring.
00:26:28
But also, I'm just like, wouldn't so many guys want to date you?
00:26:33
Probably.
00:26:34
And that's why I think she's just like taking herself out of the game because it's the only explanation I can come up with.
00:26:38
Yeah, it's the only explanation.
00:26:40
I hope that's, I hope that this helps you understand, like, you got to the final two at least.
00:26:46
Yeah.
00:26:47
But like, and he did care about you.
00:26:49
You just, you just, what happened to get lined up with a Hall of Famer in Latia, who's been number one since the very beginning.
00:26:57
When you care about someone, or when you're really into someone like, I really care about you.
00:27:00
It's just like the worst thing to hear.
00:27:02
You're just like, fuck off.
00:27:03
If you really cared about me, he'd be picking me, man.
00:27:05
Or you should let me go earlier.
00:27:08
Yeah, or you should let me go earlier.
00:27:10
Why did you trick me into thinking I had a chance when you were just so, I know, but she did say, I know what I signed up for on the show today,
00:27:20
which also if you're her and you get the runner up and you find out Latia gets the winner, are you not like, also Latia's gotten the first rose every single rose ceremony,
00:27:32
every single one.
00:27:33
I can't tell if they have a friendship at all Latia and, and Juliana, I haven't seen them in time.
00:27:37
They seem to be like more friendly than Zoe.
00:27:40
Well, Zoe was, was a villain if you recall Zoe.
00:27:43
I do recall, but in the very beginning, like, or at the rose ceremony, like when she walked up, they like held each other's hands and were so excited and then Zoe walked up and they both just like smiled at her.
00:27:53
And then Juliana, like, awkwardly, like, just like offered her hand out because she was just like, I don't know what to do.
00:27:58
It's awkward with staring at each other smiling.
00:28:00
I think they have a friendship and they have to talk.
00:28:04
Yeah, I mean, they talk, but like, do they like each other, do they have anything in common?
00:28:10
That's kind of my thing about Latia is that what is she into?
00:28:14
Like, what do we, what do we know about her other than her, her Mormonism and like wanting to have a family?
00:28:19
Like we just do this happens a lot.
00:28:21
What do we know about Juliana?
00:28:22
I feel like I have a little bit more of a sense of her.
00:28:25
Maybe I'm just being biased.
00:28:27
I don't really know.
00:28:28
I don't know.
00:28:28
I guess I see more of Latia and Tik Tok.
00:28:31
So, oh, I know her more than Juliana, but good point.
00:28:36
That's on me.
00:28:36
But um, Juliana, man, you're beautiful.
00:28:42
You're, she looks great.
00:28:45
I think like her clothes just look great on her.
00:28:47
Uh, you can dress.
00:28:49
You have great hair.
00:28:50
By the way, it did not look bad after the helmet.
00:28:53
I think he was really put off by that.
00:28:54
Like I think he brought it up because it didn't know.
00:28:56
I would have been put off about it too, though, to be honest.
00:28:59
Yeah.
00:28:59
Yeah.
00:28:59
Like we just went ATV and obviously your hair is not going to look amazing.
00:29:04
I see you in a gown and full makeup.
00:29:07
Five days a week.
00:29:08
I got it.
00:29:09
I know how pretty you are.
00:29:10
By the way, she literally didn't look any different.
00:29:14
Hair looked a little frizzy, but like probably just the humidity.
00:29:16
A tiny bit.
00:29:17
Not anything to be like, oh my god, my hair, my hair.
00:29:21
You're fine.
00:29:22
Yeah.
00:29:22
Yeah.
00:29:23
I just think you have a lot going for you, Juliana.
00:29:25
Don't let some 22-year-old twerp ruin your life.
00:29:30
He's, oh, you mean once you had cheated on before.
00:29:33
Yeah.
00:29:34
They might grant.
00:29:34
I was like, well, grant to, but I'm sorry about the 22-year-old twerp.
00:29:38
We don't even know what it happened.
00:29:41
It could have been, yeah, who knows, but grant.
00:29:43
She was really broken up about it.
00:29:45
It's hopefully not ruining your life.
00:29:48
Hopefully he has given you some confidence.
00:29:51
That's what I'm hoping for.
00:29:52
Yeah.
00:29:52
Fingers crossed.
00:29:54
I hope so as well.
00:29:55
I also thought that like the morning after she seemed really nervous too.
00:30:00
Like, not regretful, but I think she just like, she shifted into protect herself mode.
00:30:06
I'm just wondering, well, I don't know.
00:30:08
I wish obviously we're never near this, but I would love to see like the inside of the fantasy suit suite.
00:30:14
Like, did he tell Zoe?
00:30:16
Like, him, just not gonna hook up with you because it's not you.
00:30:18
Well, do you think you hooked up Juliana?
00:30:21
I don't know.
00:30:22
I think they did hook up because of what she said about like, I haven't had it like that in a while.
00:30:28
And she also just seemed like I said defensive the next morning.
00:30:31
I don't think she necessarily regretted it, but I just feel like she maybe feels like a vulnerable or exposed.
00:30:35
And I thought that Latia, of course.
00:30:38
Yeah, I thought it was interesting.
00:30:40
Latia's line is not, her red line is not like you can't hook up anyone else, but like, I don't want to know about it.
00:30:45
And I'm not hugging it with you.
00:30:47
Like, I thought that was actually sensible and mature.
00:30:50
Like.
00:30:50
Me too.
00:30:50
Smart.
00:30:51
Makes a lot of sense.
00:30:52
And like, that was good advice from Katie.
00:30:55
Katie looked great by the way.
00:30:56
I love the brown hair.
00:30:57
I can't believe they're still together.
00:30:59
I know.
00:31:00
I think it's because they left LA and they went back to like having pretty regular lives.
00:31:04
And also, I think she's just really confident.
00:31:06
Like, I think she's just like, I'm doing me and that's that.
00:31:09
Yes.
00:31:09
And he seems, she keeps, she always claims he's like, more interesting than we saw on TV, which, yeah, again, I guess.
00:31:16
Who knows?
00:31:17
Well, I mean, it's her fiance.
00:31:18
I hope I hope she says that.
00:31:20
She feels like we didn't get much on TV.
00:31:24
Yeah, I hope she feels that way.
00:31:27
So.
00:31:27
That is for sure.
00:31:28
Yeah.
00:31:29
I just think, I don't know what, Juliana, what happens?
00:31:33
She's probably pissed.
00:31:34
There's no bachelorette.
00:31:35
She probably probably is like, Oh, I could be the lead.
00:31:37
But that's just it.
00:31:39
It's not off the table.
00:31:40
Well, I think they would have made her the bachelor at and they would have done the season.
00:31:43
If they had a bachelor at, they were excited about it.
00:31:45
I think the issue here is they don't have anyone they want to build around.
00:31:48
Yeah, but I just don't think that that means that she will never be.
00:31:53
I mean, it's true.
00:31:54
Because like, next is paradise.
00:31:57
And then we'll then bachelor again, maybe.
00:31:59
Yeah.
00:31:59
So they'll be a whole other pool woman.
00:32:01
Yeah.
00:32:02
If the show is still on, which it will be.
00:32:04
The funny thing is it feels like it's like, you know, it is less popular than it used to be.
00:32:09
But it's still on network television.
00:32:10
So it gets like millions of.
00:32:11
So yeah.
00:32:12
Which is to say, it still gets a lot of viewership.
00:32:15
And it's very low production costs lower than ever.
00:32:19
Yeah.
00:32:19
So I'm just saying like, the juice is worth the squeeze.
00:32:23
Does that make sense?
00:32:25
Yes, it does.
00:32:27
It does make sense.
00:32:28
Poor Zoe.
00:32:28
She had to have this date she hated.
00:32:30
She's just just out of there.
00:32:32
If you're Zoe, are you glad you made it to final three or do you wish you had just been like broken up?
00:32:37
I don't know.
00:32:38
I thought I'm towns.
00:32:39
I was thinking about that because she seemed like very nice to grant.
00:32:43
Like, she wasn't like annoyed at all.
00:32:44
She probably was like, the yoga date was so horrible.
00:32:47
It ruined it for her.
00:32:48
Even the exit.
00:32:49
She was like in the car.
00:32:50
She was fine.
00:32:51
I was thinking that maybe she's thinking the longer that I'm on TV, the better for me, like, you know, social wise.
00:32:56
And like, maybe I get on bachelor in paradise because of it, which I do think that she'll get on bachelor in paradise.
00:33:01
Oh, definitely.
00:33:02
So I can shoot both went far and got her villain at it.
00:33:05
So it's like, oh, we've gotten a lot of her.
00:33:07
Good luck, Zoe.
00:33:08
We'll see you out there.
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Let's talk about Temptation Island, which is in stark contrast.
00:35:48
Catchler.
00:35:50
Kelly, have you watched Temptation Island on other networks?
00:35:55
Because this is, I think, ninth season.
00:35:57
And it was previously on USA before that Fox.
00:36:00
I think Seth and I have watched every season.
00:36:02
Oh, wow.
00:36:03
Okay, this is my first time watching.
00:36:05
I've heard it's gotten a real glow up and it's moved to Netflix.
00:36:09
Is that correct?
00:36:10
It's pretty similar to the last few seasons.
00:36:15
Okay, it does have like the Netflix font, though.
00:36:17
Like, is this?
00:36:18
Yeah, I mean, maybe it's like a little bit nicer, but like, not really.
00:36:22
It's about the same as it was last season and season four.
00:36:25
It has been a big break between last season and this season.
00:36:27
Right, because it, again, moves to Netflix.
00:36:29
I think that like a new showrunner, perhaps, or new, like some new people.
00:36:33
Maybe.
00:36:33
Also, I'm not sure if you're aware, but there was like a very, very, very viral thing going on right before this show dropped on Netflix.
00:36:42
This is probably perfect for the timing of when Netflix dropped it.
00:36:46
There was a Temptation Island Spain, I believe.
00:36:49
Did you see this?
00:36:51
I hadn't, but in my research at Temptation Island, I read about Spain and I guess it's really racy, huh?
00:36:56
That's an understatement.
00:36:58
What was the viral moment?
00:36:59
Well, I have no idea 'cause it's in Spanish, but I certainly watched like 10 parts of it.
00:37:04
So you're just watching Spanish porn?
00:37:07
Yeah, Montoya.
00:37:09
And like, I don't know if it's a guy or a girl because he's yelling Montoya.
00:37:14
Montoya!
00:37:15
I don't know if it's him or her, but Montoya is either cheating or getting cheated on.
00:37:21
They both are fucking other people but they're together.
00:37:25
And they have to watch it on the video footage over and over again.
00:37:29
And then the guy's watching it live.
00:37:31
It seems like they do it live in Spain, like a live video feed.
00:37:34
You got a live feed.
00:37:35
Feed during your, during your...
00:37:37
It's like watching it there.
00:37:38
And he takes off down the beach because he's like, their house is right there.
00:37:43
So he just takes off down the beach to the girl's house and she is mid-fuck and has to like get up and run downstairs because they hear like commotion happening downstairs.
00:37:56
Did security intervene?
00:37:59
Yeah.
00:37:59
So this came up in the interview I watched.
00:38:02
So here's how Potentation Island works.
00:38:04
Or is it a interview I read?
00:38:05
Here's Potentation Island if you haven't watched.
00:38:08
Four couples have come to Hawaii to see if they can trust each other and test their relationship.
00:38:14
It's basically Casamore.
00:38:16
It's basically Casamore.
00:38:17
It's basically the ultimatum, but a little bit crazier.
00:38:21
Yeah.
00:38:21
But yeah, it's basically Casamore.
00:38:23
Then the couple split and the four guys go live with 12 women in one villa and then the four women are with 12 guys in the other.
00:38:31
Just like Casamore, the four men are way more willing to like indulge and push the boundaries and the women are way more like, I don't know, I have this boy brand.
00:38:41
Not to say they're all perfect, but like they're way more hesitant.
00:38:45
And there's crazy challenges also like Casamore or like crazy activities where it's like, use your body to get paint on me and then the loser has to run around naked.
00:38:55
Yeah, it's just very extended Casamore and then the host is Mark Wahlberg, no relation, different spelling.
00:39:02
And he is ultra serious.
00:39:05
He meets you at the bonfire where you were both he and the women are watching clips of what is happening in the other house for the first time.
00:39:13
Or he in the men.
00:39:15
Right.
00:39:15
And then he's like, so how are you feeling?
00:39:19
What does this, what does this make you think?
00:39:22
Like what do you he just asked like very serious questions?
00:39:25
He's outdruing Dr.
00:39:26
Drew.
00:39:27
And I was shocked to find out that he does not watch those clips ahead of time.
00:39:31
Like he is reacting in real time as well.
00:39:33
That's interesting.
00:39:34
Yes, I just read that.
00:39:35
Like he wants to have the same authentic experience as the contestants.
00:39:40
So he's like, he washes it alongside them.
00:39:42
He doesn't want to know what's happening.
00:39:44
Isn't that wild?
00:39:45
Doesn't that make you think he's even better at his job?
00:39:48
I mean, yeah, also, did he answer if he has any sort of therapist education?
00:39:53
He does not.
00:39:54
He has none.
00:39:55
He, but I read this really good interview and variety that Emily Longer edited with the 2BPs.
00:40:00
And they were saying he has no experience of the psychotherapist or anything.
00:40:03
That is insane.
00:40:05
But they're like, but he could be as he is.
00:40:07
He the thing that makes him a distinctive host, in my opinion, is he's actually pretty genuinely kind.
00:40:14
Like I love Jesse.
00:40:15
Yeah.
00:40:16
Jesse does not seem genuine.
00:40:17
And like, oh, how are you feeling?
00:40:18
Just part of the reason why I like him.
00:40:19
Mark Wahlberg is like, seems genuine and like a little nervous for everyone.
00:40:24
So I know you didn't finish all the episodes.
00:40:26
Did you see the part where so case leaves?
00:40:29
Did you see that case?
00:40:31
One of the guys that came into the house to tempt the girls case.
00:40:35
He was really getting along with Taylor.
00:40:37
Yes.
00:40:37
Yes.
00:40:38
Case left in the first elimination willingly.
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Like he was like, I'm out because she was connecting with Yemen or whoever else.
00:40:46
He comes back.
00:40:47
And he comes back and when Mark brings him back in, he like pulls Taylor aside.
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And he was like, Hey, I wanted to just talk to you for a second.
00:40:56
It's like really stuck with me at the bonfire when you said that you're broken and that everybody leaves you.
00:41:04
And he was just like, you're not broken.
00:41:06
You're just feeling broken.
00:41:07
And everyone doesn't leave.
00:41:09
See case came back.
00:41:10
Everyone is not always going to leave you in your life.
00:41:13
That's nice.
00:41:14
And she started like crying.
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And it was like, thank you.
00:41:17
It was really sweet.
00:41:17
He said like a little bit more than that.
00:41:18
But it was really sweet.
00:41:20
So to your point, it does seem like he like actually starts to care about these people.
00:41:25
He's like invested.
00:41:26
Yeah.
00:41:27
He's like invested.
00:41:28
Yeah.
00:41:28
Big time.
00:41:29
And it's not just reading a script.
00:41:31
It makes sense because he seems to try to be like as honest as he can be.
00:41:38
So like whatever he thinks, that doesn't mean it's true.
00:41:40
But like with how he feels about the people.
00:41:43
So like he will be harsher if you fuck up like he's going to be harsher towards you in his reactions.
00:41:49
And if he sees you like, are we doing a spoiler alert or no?
00:41:53
Sure.
00:41:55
Spoiler alert.
00:41:56
Spoiler big spoiler alert.
00:41:59
If you haven't watched all of the episodes.
00:42:01
Yeah.
00:42:02
Shantay takes Brianna back.
00:42:04
Yeah.
00:42:05
They're still together.
00:42:06
Are they?
00:42:07
Yeah.
00:42:07
They're still together.
00:42:08
There's no.
00:42:09
I feel comfortable telling you telling you because there's no reunion.
00:42:11
So yeah, they're still together.
00:42:13
Wait, how do you know they're still together in the interview?
00:42:15
They said it, yeah.
00:42:16
So it's the interview with the entire cast.
00:42:20
No, it's just the show runners.
00:42:21
And they just drop in the tea.
00:42:23
There's no way they're going to make it pass this.
00:42:26
Well, they have Cali.
00:42:27
No, no, no, no.
00:42:28
I mean, I don't think they're going to make pass like the public and everyone's seeing it.
00:42:33
Oh, well, because she's only going off of what he's saying, right?
00:42:37
It's so much worse when you watch how he was acting.
00:42:40
So there's four couples, one of them is Shantay and Brianna and Brianna's thing is he's a sex fiend.
00:42:46
I've never come across in TV.
00:42:49
It's certainly not in real life.
00:42:52
Someone who discusses their own sex drive the way that he does.
00:42:55
Yeah.
00:42:55
It's like, it's like so emphatic.
00:42:58
It's like so excessive.
00:42:59
And it's almost like a badge of honor for him.
00:43:01
Like he's just like almost like defines himself by his sex drive.
00:43:05
And as a result, while he's still with this girlfriend, he ends up having a threesome with two other women.
00:43:12
We don't see it because there was no cameras around.
00:43:15
But it happens.
00:43:17
I mean, we hear it.
00:43:19
We hear it.
00:43:20
And we see a girl naked.
00:43:22
And his, but like, just even before that, his behavior, he's kind of like shitting on his girlfriend.
00:43:28
He's just like, talking about how she doesn't have a sex drive, how she, he's like, she'd be a great mom, but she's not freaky.
00:43:35
That's basically what he says.
00:43:37
Also, he, because I don't know how much further you made it past that, he continues to be like, well, she'll forgive me because like, she's a good girl.
00:43:46
So like, she's going to forgive me.
00:43:48
And like, Mark is like, well, you might want to like figure out how you're going to explain this to her.
00:43:53
And he was like, to be honest, Mark, I don't have to explain it to her.
00:43:56
Like, she'll just, she'll take me back.
00:43:59
And with the guys, he's like, it's better for my, this is going to be better for my relationship.
00:44:04
Like, it's fine.
00:44:05
It's all good.
00:44:05
And then one of the girls that he's getting to know, not one of the girls he had a threesome with, he doesn't tell her about the threesome on a date with her.
00:44:14
She asked when's the last time he had a threesome.
00:44:17
And he's like, I don't even remember.
00:44:18
Then there's another girl.
00:44:20
He goes on a date or wants to go on a date with who he likes, who he's getting to know.
00:44:24
And in the bed, he tells her that he just had a threesome.
00:44:26
And she was like, where are you joking?
00:44:28
So it seems like the girls didn't really go around the house talking about it.
00:44:31
And he was like, no.
00:44:32
And then she's like, gets up in the bed and it's like, I'm not really uncomfortable.
00:44:36
I'm going to leave.
00:44:37
So she left.
00:44:37
And he was like, oh my god.
00:44:38
I'm dealing with five year old.
00:44:40
She's such a weirdo.
00:44:41
And it's like, no, bro, you're the weirdo.
00:44:44
Like you are the weirdo.
00:44:45
Then the next day, he apologizes for calling her weird and asked her on a date and she says, yes.
00:44:50
And then later on, she's like, you know what?
00:44:52
I thought about it.
00:44:54
I don't want to go on a date with you.
00:44:56
You keep saying you didn't cheat on your girlfriend, but you did.
00:44:59
You had a threesome here.
00:45:01
And he was like, yeah, but you have to you have to separate the island in real life.
00:45:05
And she was like, right, so you're picking and choosing when you want to say you have a girlfriend and when you don't want to have a girlfriend.
00:45:10
And she's like, I'm a girls girl.
00:45:11
And like, it doesn't seem cool to me.
00:45:13
I'm good.
00:45:14
And says she would go on a date with him.
00:45:16
I know.
00:45:16
I love that.
00:45:17
In general, like, a lot of there's some there's some winners on the show.
00:45:24
Like the other three guys are Tyler, Lino and Grant.
00:45:27
Grant is not a winner.
00:45:32
Grant has sex in the show or with the girl he's been in too.
00:45:36
And then the next day, he has sex that are multiple times.
00:45:39
Sure.
00:45:39
And then we see him telling her after they've had sex.
00:45:43
I think I just need to figure out how to be alone.
00:45:46
And I'm just like, oh, so after you've had sex with this girl and after you've been dating your girlfriend, you're like, and I'm ready to be alone now.
00:45:54
Like, yeah, like what are okay, dude?
00:45:56
Great, great.
00:45:56
I'm glad you had that awakening.
00:45:58
Then he keeps saying like, I like, I hope that me and Ashley can like, I think that's her name.
00:46:06
We can find our way back to each other.
00:46:07
And like, we can like, make it out of here.
00:46:09
Like, Ashley just has to let go of her resentment and like, has let go of like, not trusting me.
00:46:13
Bro, why would she trust you based on what you've done actively cheating on her?
00:46:19
Like, maybe she let go of the resentment.
00:46:22
And then you brought new resentment.
00:46:24
Like, she can't let go of it.
00:46:25
If you keep giving her more reasons to be resentful, like, what are we talking about?
00:46:30
And he sent her a video.
00:46:32
He was like, I forgive you for your resentment.
00:46:36
And I finally forgive myself.
00:46:38
I'm like, this guy cannot be serious.
00:46:42
And then at the final bind fire, he's still trying to get her to leave with him.
00:46:48
It's crazy.
00:46:48
Like, I like that she just like would not give in.
00:46:51
Also, every time she saw footage, she was so, she said, I'm numb.
00:46:54
She's just like, I don't know what to do here.
00:46:57
She must know it.
00:46:58
Like, this is who he is.
00:46:59
And so, well, Ashley and Taylor, it felt like needed one more reason to be done.
00:47:04
And they got their reason quickly.
00:47:07
Yeah.
00:47:07
Tyler, I think in some ways is like the most diabolical.
00:47:10
He the most quickly, it was like, wow.
00:47:13
I haven't felt this way in so long.
00:47:16
And like, they're all in love.
00:47:17
Yeah.
00:47:17
And he was like, like, really into this woman, K.
00:47:20
And like, he just went for it really quickly.
00:47:23
It wasn't, we didn't see as much like physical stuff with him, but his emotional with K was like the most over the top of any of the guys.
00:47:31
And it was like, pretty fucked up.
00:47:34
100% and all while, which I'm wondering if K knows this, Taylor's paying all his bills.
00:47:41
Yeah.
00:47:42
I know because he he basically decided to be an influencer, even though he had like a pretty good job.
00:47:48
And the final bond fire, they talk about it.
00:47:52
And she was like, I've asked you to get a job for a year, a year you haven't had a job.
00:47:58
And he was like, yeah.
00:48:00
And that's not where I'm at right now.
00:48:03
Like, I want someone that's going to be supportive of me.
00:48:07
And she was like, I was.
00:48:09
I was.
00:48:09
And I asked you for a three year plan, a five year plan.
00:48:12
Did I ever see a plan?
00:48:13
And he was like, that's not where I'm at.
00:48:15
And I'm like, where are you?
00:48:16
Are you on the map?
00:48:19
What do you mean?
00:48:21
You're not getting a job, like, not having a job.
00:48:25
That's not where you are.
00:48:26
Having a plan.
00:48:27
That's not where you are.
00:48:28
So where are you?
00:48:29
He's on Temptation Island.
00:48:30
He's just like having me meet K.
00:48:32
I just want to say that in my view, and I think that you're going to agree with this.
00:48:38
That is the sort of crux of many people struggles with dating in America in 2025.
00:48:47
I think that went like, there are so many women who have like a steady job for high achievers who end up in relations with men who are like, yeah, I don't know about this right now or like,
00:48:58
oh, or just like their careers don't work out the way they're going to.
00:49:02
And I think it causes significant relationship problems for K.
00:49:06
If for Taylor and Tyler, I guess that's both their names.
00:49:09
It's more like he didn't want to work and she wanted them to.
00:49:12
But in general, this golf and how women professional women view work versus the men they date, I think is a really big problem.
00:49:20
And has left led to a lot of changes.
00:49:23
I agree with you.
00:49:25
I think about this often because of my friends who are single seem to usually be doing the best single women work wise.
00:49:31
My friends who are single I'm 35.
00:49:35
So most of my friends are like, you know, between a 10 year one way or the other.
00:49:40
And my friends who are still single seem to be thriving professionally.
00:49:48
And that is always so confusing to me because I'm like, wouldn't a guy want that?
00:49:52
And I'm not saying a guy doesn't want that.
00:49:54
I think a guy might want that.
00:49:56
But then the guy, the girl is also like, right, I'm thriving.
00:50:00
So what are you bringing to the table?
00:50:02
Totally.
00:50:03
Yeah, I just think it doesn't fit the sort of like traditional like family unit that, you know, and I think that the traditional family unit is like changing so much anyway.
00:50:13
So because of that, you know what I mean?
00:50:15
And it's just a way that like, it's also this could lead into a much broader conversation at the state of affairs in America, which will save for a different time in a different place.
00:50:23
But I just thought it was kind of funny that even on Temptation Island, this is coming up.
00:50:28
This issue is raring.
00:50:30
It's ugly head.
00:50:31
Yeah, but it's very similar to also the whole like page and crag of it all.
00:50:35
Yeah, I just keeps happening where he's like, I'm okay if you're working, but like eventually you have to choose me and the kids over your job.
00:50:42
And I feel like she's like, why do I have to do that?
00:50:45
Seriously?
00:50:46
Why wouldn't you do that?
00:50:47
You seem to have the business that's more flexible.
00:50:49
Like you can just sell your mouth wherever I'm like, but to your point, I do think it just keeps happening.
00:50:55
Yeah, I think it's I think was pretty particularly with women with professional women.
00:51:00
And it's just it's kind of interesting.
00:51:01
I witnessed a lot in my life and around me and and even on Temptation Island, who would have thought?
00:51:09
Who would have thought?
00:51:11
The show is just so insane.
00:51:13
It's so insane.
00:51:14
I binge, but I don't think you need to watch every single second of it.
00:51:17
Like you can you can like skip Bob around, but the first episode is way too long in like getting to know the couples.
00:51:23
I'm just like, I don't need all of this.
00:51:25
Like nothing.
00:51:26
You didn't like the intros?
00:51:27
Like guilty pleasure is giving head.
00:51:29
No, what?
00:51:31
I think she said that.
00:51:33
Yeah, she's secretly like sucking dick because that one just says what she said.
00:51:36
Oh, my guilty pleasure is sucking dick.
00:51:39
That's what I believe she said.
00:51:40
You know what?
00:51:41
There's probably a lot of people who feel that way.
00:51:43
So she's offering representation to them.
00:51:45
Good job by that girl.
00:51:47
She's also the one that ended up in the 37.
00:51:49
So she's very true to life.
00:51:51
It's positive.
00:51:51
I'm not going to shame her.
00:51:54
I actually did like that.
00:51:55
I was like, good for you.
00:51:57
We're saying that on TV.
00:51:58
So what I thought was just like, wow, my parents would just shoot me in the head.
00:52:06
Well, I was also thinking about that with Grant.
00:52:08
Grant has a daughter and like Grant is just like that's true.
00:52:11
Out here on TV, just like, embarrassing himself and therefore his family like in the temptation hut.
00:52:19
In the temptation hut.
00:52:20
Like it's just fucked up.
00:52:21
Grant.
00:52:22
Grant is like is my public enemy number one from the show.
00:52:24
I'm just like, I don't know this guy.
00:52:26
It's a close battle.
00:52:27
I don't like how Breon talked about his girlfriend.
00:52:30
I did not like how Breon talked about at post threesome.
00:52:33
How he was just like, it doesn't matter.
00:52:35
She's going to take me back.
00:52:36
And then she did, which also I was like, for him to be that confident about it means he's not as fooled her before.
00:52:44
Well, it's not even fooling her.
00:52:46
He's just taking advantage of her leniency.
00:52:48
I think that he's also probably fooled her too.
00:52:50
And you're thinking, right?
00:52:52
No, that's not what happened.
00:52:53
And like he can convince her easily into anything.
00:52:55
Did you watch White Lotus last night?
00:52:57
I did not.
00:52:57
I have to discuss it.
00:52:59
There was another scene that was relevant to this conversation about someone who just like loved love sex.
00:53:05
He did it many times that he loved sex, but again, sex, that's a sex positive show, I guess.
00:53:11
Very.
00:53:11
I just can't believe that it's to hung around.
00:53:14
Tenpation Island has been around for so long.
00:53:16
It fits and starts.
00:53:17
Mark Zuckerberg is still doing the damn thing.
00:53:20
I just like, good for him.
00:53:22
Good for him.
00:53:23
Mark is really killing it.
00:53:25
One other show that we've lightly talked about, but I am like fully in on dealer, no deal island.
00:53:30
Oh, I should every one's there Thursday.
00:53:33
I'm really sorry.
00:53:34
I told you I was in a catch up, but I really well for next time.
00:53:37
I don't really think you can just watch the most recent one.
00:53:40
Okay.
00:53:41
It's not like a must, like survivors must watch television.
00:53:45
Deal or deal or no deal island is definitely on the bottom of the list.
00:53:48
But I am now invested to see who wins.
00:53:51
And I really want to see how poverty and Australian survivor guy tap.
00:53:56
This isn't me.
00:53:57
David.
00:53:58
David are going to play it because they neither one of them has.
00:54:00
Both of them have had opportunities to stab each other in the back and they haven't.
00:54:04
And I find it hard to believe that poverty won't.
00:54:07
I hope she does.
00:54:09
That's right.
00:54:09
No, I think she will.
00:54:10
She's the one.
00:54:10
David should have.
00:54:11
David should have this past week and he did not.
00:54:14
Oh, wow.
00:54:15
Wow.
00:54:15
I think they're both on Australian survivor like world versus Australia in the summer, which I'm looking forward to.
00:54:20
Oh, I didn't know that was a thing.
00:54:22
Yeah, I only know that from poverty actually.
00:54:24
I can't wait.
00:54:25
Australian survivor supposed to be like really hard and it's like, I forget where it is, not in Australia though.
00:54:30
It's in different island.
00:54:31
That's what we got for today, people.
00:54:34
Juliana, you're going to be okay.
00:54:35
That's our message from this podcast.
00:54:37
And also we are sex positive.
00:54:39
Thank you to our producer, Olivia Creary and to Mark Wahlberg for his great work over these years.
00:54:47
We'll be back next week for the Bachelor of Finale.
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