In a world that never stops asking for more, how can we focus on what truly matters? In the season premiere of Visiting Experts, Brett Hendrie sits down with Oliver Burkeman, author of Meditations for Mortals and 4,000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals, to explore the power of accepting our limits.

Oliver shares insights on why striving for perfection can hold us back, how embracing imperfection can unlock ambition, and why small, deliberate actions often lead to the biggest impact. From navigating work and life like a kayak on a river to tackling intimidating tasks “one step at a time,” this conversation offers practical strategies for reclaiming control, reducing stress, and making time for what counts.

Show notes

[0:00 ] Brett Hendrie reflects on the myth of “zero inbox” 

[1:26 ] Meet Oliver Burkeman, author of 4,000 Weeks: Time Management for Mortals and Meditations for Mortals, expert on productivity, time management and personal effectiveness.

[3:39 ] Understanding what it means to be a finite human in an infinite world, and how embracing your human limits can be freeing. 

[5:52 ] The dangers of perfectionism in professional and personal life, and why imperfectionism can boost efficiency.

[7:19 ] Making conscious trade-offs instead of trying to do everything: practical tips for prioritization and decision-making.

[9:10 ] Oliver’s “kayak vs. superyacht” analogy for navigating uncertainty and making meaningful progress in life and work.

[10:37 ] Long-term, detailed plans for change can be destined for failure. Instead, start small: take action today without trying to control every outcome.

[12:21 ] The “just going to the shed” concept: confronting tasks and projects you’ve been avoiding to reduce decision paralysis and procrastination.

[14:43 ] The liberating idea: every choice on how you spend your time has a cost, and once you accept that reality, you’re free to choose which set of costs you’re willing to pay. 

[16:42 ] Integrating imperfectionism with realistic ambition to achieve more without burnout.

[19:14 ] Applying these ideas as a leader or manager: balancing control and autonomy to empower teams and increase organizational productivity.

[21:18 ] “Obviously, what people want is like the three practices you can do every day, and then you've got this nailed. But a big part of what I'm trying to say in this book is life doesn't work like that. And so, if you actually want the change, I think you do need to work on developing the patience to sort of try these things bit by bit.

“If you were to ask me for like, what's one thing that people can do, then my answer would be: there is something in your work or your life that you know is really meaningful to you… Do 10 minutes of that thing today and actually do it.”

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