Five More Days with Samantha Bee and Van Jones
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In this sobering conversation, Katie Couric sits down with comedian Samantha Bee and political commentator Van Jones to unpack the turbulence surrounding the final days of the 2024 Presidential election. From campaign strategies to media responsibility, they explore how humor, outrage, and disinformation shape the home stretch.
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Stick to sports, shut up and dribble.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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Hi, everyone.
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I'm Katie Kirk, and this is next question.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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Well, folks, we're taping this episode the morning after a pretty shocking Trump rally that took place at Madison Square Garden.
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The rhetoric was more inflammatory than ever, as if that's possible.
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My friend, comedian and cultural commentator, Sam B, is here today as my plus one.
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Sam, hi.
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How are you?
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It's so good to see you.
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I swear to God, you know what?
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There's nowhere I'd rather be than right here talking to you right now, until you write that.
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Oh, good Lord.
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We have so much to talk about.
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But first, how have you been?
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I haven't seen you in person for quite a while.
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I miss you and your show.
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But you've been staying very busy, Sam.
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Tell us what you've been up to.
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Very busy.
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I did a one-woman show called "How to Survive a Man and Pause," which I loved so much.
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And it was probably just like one of the most fun, creative experiences I've had in a really long time.
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So I'm going to do it more.
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I just don't know when.
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And I'm doing the Daily Beast podcast with Joanna Coles, which is super fun.
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It's like a-- it's a pretty great outfit.
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And we get to plunder their reporting in a really fun way.
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It's been-- I don't know.
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I'm just kind of going along for the ride.
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I like it.
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And you're Canadian.
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You're in Toronto right now.
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I am.
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Do you have-- you have Canadian citizenship?
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Have you been thinking about that?
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I'm just lightly scoping out neighborhoods.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I'm not sure I'd go back to the neighborhood where I grew up.
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But I'm just like, oh, no, that's interesting.
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Look at this delightful neighborhood with these coffee shops.
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This is very livable.
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People are at the absolute end of their rope at all moments of the day and night.
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It's an interesting vibe.
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I know.
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Well, you can't say that about this country right now.
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You can kind of feel it in the air, the anxiety, the trepidation, the sphincter tightening that is going on.
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And whenever I can use the word sphincter, I like to embrace that.
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And I couldn't think of someone who would be a better partner, my plus one, to talk to one of my favorite people, Van Jones, about what is happening right now in our country.
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Because honestly, I don't know what to make of it anymore.
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And that's why Van is going to explain it all to us.
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I think in many ways Van Jones has been a kind of north star during the course of this election, although at times, even his magnuminity, that's a good word.
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Look it up, has been tested.
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So how do we get here?
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What does this say about us?
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Could Kamala have done anything differently?
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And what about Trump's closing argument?
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Van Jones, welcome to next question with my co-host, Samantha B.
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Hello.
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Hi, Van.
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Hello.
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I've been blessed to be a guest with Sam in the past.
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So it's good to be back.
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Oh, it's nice to see you.
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And of course, you love me, too, Van.
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Can we please add that?
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Well, I mean, that goes out.
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I think the global love affair with Katie Kirk is unending and all-inclusive always.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Now you're going overboard.
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But thank you for being here and, gosh, Van.
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We have so much to talk about.
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I saw you on Bill Marr on Friday night.
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I watched it last night because I had a wedding out of town and caught up with you there.
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Obviously, I watch you on CNN and big fan van, big fan.
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You've always been very kind and very encouraging.
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I sincerely appreciate it.
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I really do.
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Well, let's talk about, gosh, I guess the latest thing we need to talk about is what happened last night right here in New York City, not far from where I live at Madison Square Garden.
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Did you all watch this rally?
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Did you see clips of it?
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And what can I say?
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What did you think?
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Oh, my God.
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Well, you know, I have a friend who I've been talking with her earlier in the day.
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You know, she's frustrated with where the Democrats are a number of her issues.
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She's quite progressive.
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And she was like, I'm going to vote, but then I just in her the clip of this horrible big it, making fun of Mexicans is talking about,
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you know, they have so many babies.
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They have, they never pull out.
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They always come inside the same way that they came inside our country.
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And when she heard the crowd, this massive crowd, what it Trump's biggest crowd laughing, laughing, laughing and making fun of Mexican immigrants like her and Puerto Ricans,
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you know, she immediately started sending it around to her family members because like, this is a choice.
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You know, we have always imperfect, you know, Democratic candidates, except for Barack Obama.
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They've all been imperfect.
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And then we have a literal clown car fascist who has, who's doing like racist insult comedy eight days away from election.
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You know, there's a lot going on.
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Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now.
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Yeah.
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I think it's called Puerto Rico.
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I don't get it.
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Like there's no, if you need more information than that, and there was no record, there was no rebukes, there's nobody to come out and say that we don't believe in that.
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Well, no, they love that.
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They are going to pull out the biggest con ever in that they're going to get black, some black people, marginally more than what would have given them a vote and some Latin people to vote for someone who is going to turn around and do a massive crackdown on black and brown communities.
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Congress trying to lift people up, Trump wants to lock people up, and you know, that's where we are eight days out.
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I am as a comedian, yeah, I had to ask you about the quality of the humor.
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Obviously, it was insulting, but it wasn't even funny.
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You know what the crazy, the thing that is so, I mean, everything about it is so incredibly disheartening.
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And I definitely watched it sitting on this, just kind of just like, just like in the state of disbelief.
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I'm like, this is to you, and you know, this comedian, like Tony Hunchkoff, like, they hired him, they asked him to come and do this.
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They know who he died by the way, Sam, he's like a, he's like very well known for like roasting people.
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He's like a roast comic and he did, you know, he did the one that Tom Brady wrote, like he does really like outrageous, like, like super, just like hardcore, like pushing the boundaries humor.
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That's like his signature, that's his signature.
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If you've watched one minute of his comedy, you know exactly what he's all about.
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So having him come to a political rally with tens of thousands of people there that's going to be watched, like nationwide is on purpose.
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It's an on purpose dog whistle, when you pay this person to come and speak your thing, you know what you're getting.
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I wouldn't say it was a dog whistle, right?
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It was just a whistle or it's just like a whistle, right?
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Just like a blowhorn, like, you know, they all knew what was going to happen.
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And unfortunately, I just kind of go, wow, that's so intentional.
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Like this is where your heart is, this is where you want people to vote for you.
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But this is what, this is what you have intentionally put out in the world as a representative of you and all the people that you stand for, like it's so awful.
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I want to just, I feel like I don't even know, I don't even know what to do.
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And it's working for them in a way because they're getting wall to wall free press for it.
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And I'm like, wow, this is like, it's like Machiavellian, like I can't believe that anyone could look at this person and think that this crew of people could possibly be the president of all Americans is so disgusting to me on such a deep level,
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like how dare you?
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I think a lot of people, and we live in like the United States of Amnesia, right?
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A lot of people really have just kind of forgotten how bad it was, you know, in during the years.
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And I think people have, I think a couple of things going on.
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One is people remember that they were good economic times.
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They forget that that was the Obama economy that you know, I'm inherited, you know, Obama.
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We had, we had 75 straight months of job growth under Obama.
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He handed that off to Trump.
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It actually slowed down under Trump, but he still had the good momentum from the Obama years.
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And then he started chasing off all the good people around him.
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And by the time he got to COVID, he was down to not the B team, not the C team, but the D team.
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He had taken Obama's playbook for a pandemic and put in a garbage can someplace, disemount of that whole function, the federal government.
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So we had a million ex, you know, 600,000 extra Americans die because Trump had a D team around him and he had thrown away the eight teams playbook.
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It didn't know what that all he was doing.
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It was talking about injecting bleach.
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So you had a worse economic performance under Trump.
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The only thing that Trump did for the economy was cut taxes for rich people.
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He didn't pass a bomb, he didn't do anything to help anybody.
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But he put his name on his stimulus checks.
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And so people think that that Trump was for them.
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So that was terrible.
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But then the thing that's even more awful is it going forward.
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People say, well, it wasn't so bad before Democrats always scream, hit, learn, racist.
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I don't have to listen.
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I said, you know, honestly, you have a point.
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If you're a conservative, we said, Romney was unfit.
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We didn't like, Dominic came.
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You have a point to say, Democrats always attack our nominee.
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And you might be rational in saying, I'm not going to listen to Democrats, but you should listen to Republicans, you should listen to all the Republicans you serve with them.
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Listen to all the generals who serve with them who are screaming and yelling and saying, this guy is completely incompetent.
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You should listen to the Supreme Court that says, now the Supreme, the president can be lawless, which that was a restraint before.
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Now there's no restraint for the Supreme Court.
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You have people who are Republican saying he's a racist and a fascist.
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And you will no longer have, you won't even have the D team.
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You're going to have the Z team around him in the White House.
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This is a very, very serious threat that we're facing in eight days.
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I want to know why you think people have amnesia.
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I think, you know, what are the root causes and the root reasons that you think people are gravitating to Donald Trump and the race is so tight.
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I think social media, I think there's a big campaign from Russia, China, and Iran to just discourage and distress progressives.
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And so I think that that's more effective than not.
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Honestly, I think that RFK Jr.
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supporting Trump has hurt us, hurt progressives, and helped Trump more than people really understand, because I do think that the make America healthy again,
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Maha, that slogan does appeal to some people in the yoga and kale crowd and other people who-- The wellness community, right?
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The wellness community has been pulled very far to the right, frankly, objectively in ways that I think people are not tracking.
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So I do think that there's that, but yeah, look, I think people are hurting and uncertain.
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I think that, you know, it sucks to go with the grocery store and have to take stuff out of your cart and put it back on the shelf because you're watching those numbers go up in a way that's kind of scary.
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I think the economy matters a lot to people.
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And you know, everything is 20% more expensive than it used to be.
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And now that was a worldwide global phenomenon, and we beat it back better, faster and quicker than Europe, but people don't like that kind of thing, and there's a lot of disinformation out there too.
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I was going to say, do you think that people understand that Joe Biden--I mean, my husband and I talk about this because he thinks that Joe Biden has had impact on inflation.
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I say that it's sort of a worldwide trend as you do, Van.
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But were there things that Joe Biden could have done to get prices down at the grocery store, was flooding the economy with all the COVID money,
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was flooding, you know, with adding to the deficit with student loan forgiveness?
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I'm not--the economy is not my strong suit, but were there things that were initiated by the Biden administration or not done that have led voters to feel that he could have had a bigger impact on these things?
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Well, look, possibly those hard to tell, look, there were people, there were some economists warning, you might be putting too much gas on the fire by doing some of the investments and other things.
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You need to get done.
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But you know what?
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I think what people forget is a lot of that spending, you know, that Biden and Harris did on infrastructure is still--that's a long term.
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That's not like they just poured it all on the streets, they went and grabbed it and started buying cotton candy, like long-term investments in the country pay off over a long period of time.
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They also look at the economy over a long period of time.
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So look, I think you have to just look at the comparison.
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We got inflation down faster than everybody else around the world.
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It was a global problem.
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There were two things happening.
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You have to supply chains.
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It had been backed up and demanded it had been held up because of the COVID pandemic globally.
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And so once everything opened back up, prices went through the roof around the world.
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And some of Biden, obviously, frankly, smart monetary policy from the Fed, which Biden ended up doing, also finally beat it back down, but you know, you're still up above where you used to be.
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I think the thing that people don't think about enough is, okay, I'm mad about inflation and prices today.
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So I'm going to vote for Donald Trump, who is going to make it all massively worse because both of his big ideas are inflationary.
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His big idea of putting tariffs on everything is going to drive up prices and you're even going to have to pay by more expensive stuff overseas or largely more expensive stuff from American producers.
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You might say that's great for long-term reshoring, but short-term prices are going to go through the roof.
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And the other thing is grab all the immigrants thrown out of the country, which is then going to create a labor shortage, which is going to drive up the price of labor, which is also inflationary.
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His two big ideas, if you don't like prices now, vote for this guy.
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He is capital inflation.
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He is Mr.
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inflation.
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He is the father of inflation.
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That's what you're dealing with in Donald Trump.
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Yeah.
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And it's not even just amnesia because it's also like disinformation campaigns that are just hogging full force.
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It's like, you know, there's a proportion of the American electorate who thinks that Joe Biden dismantled Roe v.
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White.
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And they just kind of go, what, and what now?
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And it's a large proportion.
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It's not, it's not tiny.
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I wanted to ask both of you, I mean, do you think the Democrats ban are talking enough about these two highly inflationary policy proposals,
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i.e.
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tariffs and the great deportation and what the impact is really going to be?
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Why isn't that registering?
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You know, I just don't know.
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I think the blizzard of BS that you have to show with every day from the Trump campaign by the time you get finished talking about Arnold Palmer's penis and,
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you know, that's just clown joke.
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I mean, it's so hard.
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I mean, that's part of the strategy.
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I guess it's just to put, just have a blizzard of BS and it's hard to point out basic stuff.
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Donald Trump will make inflation worse by throwing out immigrants.
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It's hard.
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The other thing is hard, you know, thinking about this over the weekend with Black men.
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Donald Trump literally has on his own agenda, not, you know, 2021, Donald Trump says that's not mine.
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Well, you know, Donald Trump never lies.
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So always very honest.
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So we said this night is after agree with that.
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But Donald Trump's actual agenda 47 is all about attacking Black men.
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It's literally we're going to bring back stop and frisk.
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We're going to have the feds put anybody who's involved in any sort of like street level petty crime, put them in federal prison, like it's an amazing, you could not come up with a more terrifying agenda for Black men,
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but, you know, this, you know, the Trump crackdown on Black men, which he's promising.
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We haven't really been able to get ourselves to talk about in clear terms.
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Hey everyone, it's Jay Shetty and I am so excited to let you know that my latest podcast interview is with the one and only Tom Hanks.
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Tom rarely does long form interviews so I was so grateful to have the time to dive deep into family, mental health, and the mindset behind his long successful career.
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Dude, I travel light and I can travel light emotionally, like I'm done, there's stuff that I cannot control.
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I have left many of a wonderful atmosphere or a loving atmosphere or a friendly atmosphere.
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And like Ernie Banks, you know, the ball player for the Chicago Cubs without ever looking back.
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And without thinking, oh, things were really wonderful back then, I wish I was back there.
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Jay, I don't think I've ever thought that.
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Listen to on purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, trust me, you won't want to miss this one.
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Isn't the problem that people who are supporting Donald Trump are not listening to anything that is trying to convince them otherwise.
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On Fox and Friends this morning, apparently I didn't see it, but reportedly they were gushing over the Madison Square Garden event.
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Right wing media in general is not analyzing Trump's policies.
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So people are getting a very distinct brand of news and information that is staying in its lane.
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It's pro-Trump, don't criticize Trump lane.
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In fact, criticize obviously Harris till the cows come home and by the way, one could argue that the other networks and media outlets do the same to Trump.
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I don't think you can compare the two.
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We can talk about that in a moment, but they're not hearing these things about tariffs and that's what they're listening to 24/7.
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, you do have people who are like really brought into Trump media and have people involved with other media.
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It's the people in the middle who are really just not tuned in that much at all.
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Those are the people who decide the election.
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That's the independent swing voters in swing counties and swing states.
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And those people, that's why you see Donald Trump going on to all these podcasts, all these political broad podcasts because that's where a bunch of people who are not watching bots and friends who aren't listening to Rachel Baddow,
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who are just, that's all, that's what their kind of corny cousin or their crazy uncle does.
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They're interested in sports and other things.
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He's going after those people, I think, very well in trying to get these, you know, these guys to come out and vote.
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It's very, very hard to communicate in this environment.
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And I think that that's everybody wakes up in the morning in an environment where there's an algorithm.
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Your next door neighbor is looking at their phone at the same time you're looking at your phone and they're seeing completely different things.
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It's not to say that yours is right and there's is wrong.
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Maybe there's a right and yours is wrong.
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It's just to say that it's completely different.
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And so when you go out to check your mailbox and she goes out to check her mailbox, you're literally living in a different algorithmically created world that she didn't pick costly for herself and you didn't pick costly for yourself.
00:25:16
And so that's one reason why I really focus on kindness, civility, empathy, we're all at the effect of something that we didn't create or choose.
00:25:28
Four years ago, you clicked on something about a Hillary Clinton or you clicked on something about some issue in the environment.
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And that is still informing what your algorithm is giving you.
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Your next door neighbor clicked on something, maybe a knock was about buying a gun.
00:25:45
And that is now informing four years later what she's seeing in her algorithm.
00:25:49
So you can't then come out and say, you're an idiot, you're a cult member, you're crazy, the whole last second.
00:25:54
Everybody slow down now.
00:25:57
Somebody not me and not you is creating this division for their own purposes.
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And so mentally, can we be kind?
00:26:03
And that's, you know, I try to focus on that and try to remind myself that none of us chose this crazy dystopian disinformation reality that we're living in and none of us know how to get out of it.
00:26:14
Okay, Mr.
00:26:15
Rogers.
00:26:16
So, you're welcome.
00:26:19
You're welcome.
00:26:20
I mean, I aspire to that too, but I guess one question and Sam, I'm curious how you feel about this.
00:26:30
You know, how do you cover Trump?
00:26:32
The media has gotten, you know, tied itself in knots, how you cover this guy.
00:26:38
And I think they're still trying to figure it out eight years later, Van.
00:26:43
You know, Jeff Zucker got trash for covering all his rallies without any kind of critical commentary accompanying them because they rated well, right?
00:26:53
And now you have, look, just in just defense, we were criticizing it the whole time, but it turns out just the overall effect of covering it that much, covering even empty podiums had a positive effect,
00:27:04
even though the whole time we were, I was on air that during those years, we criticized it, but we also just showed it so much that it wound up backfiring very much, very much.
00:27:13
Yeah.
00:27:14
I still think we have not, like we have not figured it out.
00:27:17
No one has figured it out because it is so outrageous, like last night's rally is so outrageous.
00:27:23
He's just getting like volumes, just like, you know, Kamala has, like raised a billion dollars, but he's got a billion dollars in free advertising that's occurring today.
00:27:34
Like the more, you know, I have good friends in the advertising industry who are like, it's all about brand.
00:27:40
The only thing that matters is brand awareness.
00:27:43
It's not even like really what the brand is doing.
00:27:44
It's brand awareness.
00:27:45
So you want to be like pushing the brand again and again and again and so that it's the last thing you think of when you're in that voting booth and that's what's happening.
00:27:54
That's happening for free today.
00:27:57
It's just everywhere.
00:27:58
We're talking about it right now because how can you not talk about it?
00:28:01
I don't think we're talking about it.
00:28:03
I think we're talking about it in a horrified way.
00:28:06
I mean, I think that that you can't tell me that that rally at Madison Square Garden helped him van.
00:28:15
You know, to interview Tara Palmieri, maybe it helped solidify his base and he was throwing red meat out to them.
00:28:23
But he certainly, as she said, elections are about addition, not subtraction.
00:28:29
And if you're going to alienate Puerto Ricans, right, 450,000 Puerto Ricans are eligible to vote in Pennsylvania.
00:28:38
Did you know that?
00:28:39
I did know that number.
00:28:41
I'm happy to hear that number.
00:28:43
There's a huge population of Puerto Ricans.
00:28:46
I mean, why would you invite a guy who's going to trash people?
00:28:51
Why would you say you want to bring back the alien and sedition acts of 1798, which gave the president the power to deport non-citizens who were subjects of foreign enemies,
00:29:03
gave the president the power to deport any alien he considered dangerous.
00:29:09
And the sedition act, if we need to be reminded, made it a crime to write or publish anything quote, false scandalous and malicious about the government or the president.
00:29:21
Well, I hate to drop this right in the middle of this chat, but this election is close.
00:29:28
So actually, it works really well.
00:29:31
Like it actually works really well.
00:29:33
Because if it didn't work, this election would be like a shun for Kamueras, but it really super works.
00:29:40
And that is my honest feeling.
00:29:42
What works?
00:29:43
I'm saying this campaign strategy works to be this outrageous.
00:29:47
It works to have that comedian on that stage being so repulsive, like being actually, being repugnant actually really works for them.
00:29:57
And like, I don't know what to say.
00:30:00
The other thing that it does is, which is even more troubling and more reasons for people who are listening to you get involved and to make sure that everybody votes and tries to get their prints to vote and make sure that when you vote,
00:30:11
triple it, make sure you're thrilled to be voting is because if he wins with this, he's got a permission structure now to do whatever he wants.
00:30:19
If you can be this badly behaved before you're the president, if you can tell people, and by the way, notice, he will say things like, I'm going to lock up all of my opponents.
00:30:30
I'm going to lock up Nancy Pelosi.
00:30:31
I'm going to do all these things.
00:30:32
And then all the Republican and Paul just come out and say, he doesn't mean that.
00:30:36
He just speaking hyperbole.
00:30:37
And then the next day he says, no, no, no, no, I meant what I said, like he literally will tell the next interviewer, well, everybody said he didn't mean it, no,
00:30:47
I meant it.
00:30:48
So here's the thing, if you get elected with that, you can say, with some justification, I have a mandate to lock up all my opponents.
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I told you I was going to do it and you left it me.
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I have a mandate to crack down on all of these communities because I told you I was going to deport all these people and you left me.
00:31:07
So it is unfortunately very effective, but it also should be galvanizing on our side.
00:31:12
And I think that for people who believe in democracy, for people who believe in human rights, people who believe in the Constitution, this should be galvanizing on our side.
00:31:21
We shouldn't be like, yeah, well, I don't like what Kamala said 20 years ago or I don't like her foreign policy on this thing or I don't like.
00:31:28
So therefore, I'm going to vote, but I'm going to be sad about it.
00:31:31
Look, you should vote and be passionate about it because not only does Kamala actually have plans that will actually help you like help you get a house, help you get in a apprenticeship,
00:31:43
help you start a small business, actual plans with Donald Trump has never passed a plan to help you.
00:31:48
His only economic agenda was passing the tax cuts for his friends.
00:31:52
He's never passed a bill to help ordinary Americans.
00:31:56
Kamala has a stack of those bills ready to sign.
00:31:59
And so, if you care about the future, if you don't want more inflation, if you do want help getting that for your kid to buy a house, if you want to start a business, there's only one candidate for you.
00:32:10
And you should be passionate about it.
00:32:12
You should be texting everyone you know about it.
00:32:14
We lost Florida in your 2000 by 537 votes.
00:32:20
There were almost what 150 million votes cast.
00:32:23
It came down to 537 votes in Florida plus five votes in Supreme Court, but that's another story.
00:32:29
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00:32:33
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00:32:42
So everyone should be passionate about saying, I don't care what you say about any of the deficiencies of Kamala Harris,
00:32:53
you know, Donald Trump gets to be lawless.
00:32:57
People have to be flawless.
00:32:59
Yes.
00:33:00
A lot of people have been commenting that on my Instagram.
00:33:03
And you know, social media does a great job of reinforcing.
00:33:07
If you click like on somebody who's grumpy about, you know, any issue, you'll get 900 more of those next tomorrow.
00:33:16
And so it will reinforce whatever grumpiness, whatever unhappiness, whatever dyspebsia.
00:33:23
It will be reinforced and then if you click or like or share a comment on what then you'll get 9000 the next day.
00:33:29
And so that's why everybody's so depressed, I'm not on social media.
00:33:33
So you know, and I've got a good therapist.
00:33:35
So I'm not depressed.
00:33:36
But everybody I know is, you know, miserable.
00:33:40
And I'm like, honestly, your life is pretty good.
00:33:43
You live in the United States.
00:33:44
People are like, well, all these people with all this privilege, you know, the most privileged every American citizen, there's never been a more privileged group.
00:33:51
I don't care if you're black, white, brown.
00:33:53
There's never been a more privileged people than living in the United States today.
00:33:58
We have clean air, clean water.
00:34:00
I mean, we have our problems, but we are in a great position.
00:34:04
Everybody's miserable.
00:34:05
Why?
00:34:06
Because these things do not give us information.
00:34:10
They give you affirmation.
00:34:11
That's my famous line that I co-opted from my friend Nicole Seligman, affirmation, not information.
00:34:18
I like that.
00:34:19
And if you happen to have a bad day today, you'll have a worse day tomorrow because whatever you're clicking and liking, that's what it gives you more of.
00:34:25
And so, yeah, people are, you know, the people are unhappy.
00:34:32
And so that's why it's rationally a change election.
00:34:36
People do want change.
00:34:38
The problem is that, you know, you said, well, okay, I'm going to vote for change.
00:34:43
I'm going to vote to change political parties, no, honey, no, sir, no, man, the worst thing you could do right now is to say we're going to put the car in reverse and go back to this clown car administration that busched COVID that,
00:35:00
you know, ruined the Obama economy.
00:35:03
That you have an extra 600,000 dead people because this guy didn't know what he was doing.
00:35:08
And he's more disinhibited now.
00:35:10
He's crazier now, the Supreme Court says he can do more damage now.
00:35:14
His team is worse now.
00:35:15
That is not the change that you want.
00:35:17
You want the change that Kamala's talking about, which is to build on the progress, limited though it has been with Biden and get you more of what you need.
00:35:25
That's Kamala Harris.
00:35:26
You at least want someone in the White House who you can have a conversation with, who you can move, who you can like, we can push in a direction that you care about.
00:35:35
You just want some, you want a coherent voice, like minimally you want a coherent voice in the White House.
00:35:41
Please, can we please have that?
00:35:45
But then, you know, you talk about building on the Biden administration for reasons, I guess, you know, again, food prices, gas prices,
00:35:55
housing prices, whether he's to blame or not, but it happened during his administration.
00:36:02
He is incredibly unpopular and Kamala Harris, I don't think, has done a very good job.
00:36:11
She started to, of separating and saying what she would do differently than Joe Biden.
00:36:18
And what do you think of that?
00:36:20
Could she have said, listen, I'm proud of this, but, or we could have done this better.
00:36:27
Why is she so cautious about saying how she might approach some problems differently than an incredibly unpopular incumbent?
00:36:39
I hate to say this because it's going to sound, look, Kamala Harris is a loyal person.
00:36:48
That is very, it's my sound corny, she's, she's not going to take out her knife and start stabbing somebody in the back to advance herself.
00:37:03
People think that the opposite about Kamala's, oh, she's macchiabella, she's this, she's that.
00:37:07
You know, she's tough minded, she's a, she's a superprac, which is, she's not, she's not a California progressive, I'll tell you that's a California, she's never was in a progressive camp at all, as you know.
00:37:16
But I think that she has a reluctance to say, we fuck this up, we fuck that.
00:37:27
I don't, I don't think she believes it, but also I don't think that she is that type of a person.
00:37:31
And so I think that I would have preferred, if I were, if I were her, I would have preferred to say, you know what, Joe Biden's a hell of a man, he's done a hell of a job.
00:37:39
But everybody has been the number two and had other ideas.
00:37:44
I've been number two.
00:37:45
I had other ideas.
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That's what I wanted to do.
00:37:47
But I know, I've known for 30 years, she cannot fix her mouth to say something like that.
00:37:53
She can't do it.
00:37:54
And so if it's a character flaw that costs her the election and that character flaw is just too much loyalty to people who gave her a shot, I just, I just think you gotta eat the whole hamburger with Kamala here.
00:38:06
She's not that kind of person, she's, she is not that kind of politician.
00:38:09
I don't think she believes it, I think that she honestly believes that they did a better job than they get credit for.
00:38:16
I think she does have critiques and criticisms of him, but I don't think that she feels comfortable doing that in public.
00:38:20
And that's the, that's the reality of it.
00:38:22
And also in a very truncated campaign, like it's not, you know, when you have like a very narrow window to like come in, take over, take over the whole campaign,
00:38:32
you are driving, you are driving to election day, you really do not have time or you don't have like the grace of the public to go,
00:38:44
simply needs some mistakes here.
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You just don't have those, it is not the time to like look back and go, I think we failed on this measure.
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I think you need to do, I think she is just driving the most forward, the best she can like go forward.
00:39:02
I would, I, I just want to say as a political guy, I agree with Katie that it would have been politically smarter and better for her to find a couple of things to say, look, I wish we had done this earlier,
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which we had done this all, we just used what I learned when I came in, I'm fracking, very easy on fracking.
00:39:18
So you know what?
00:39:19
As the California Democrat, as you know, we were very anti fracking and I came out of that, but it like a lot of California, like a lot of Democrats, but here's what I learned.
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In office, I learned, first of all, you can have fracking and also do the clean energy agenda, but much more importantly, I learned that we needed that natural gas, we were fracking and Pennsylvania to beat Putin,
00:39:41
Putin, when I came out office, Putin started threatening Europe.
00:39:45
He was going to cut off natural gas and freeze Europeans in their beds because we wanted to defend Ukraine and I learned, I learned we needed that natural gas coming out of Pennsylvania fracking to stop Putin fracking as a part of my geopolitical arsenal to defend democracy and I would never,
00:40:02
right?
00:40:02
So then you tell him, I haven't heard her say any of that.
00:40:05
I heard her say the first part, I heard her say you can have clean energy and be involved in fracking that her views have evolved, but what has been sometimes missing,
00:40:16
I think for some voters ban and Sam is sort of that second or third sentence to help people understand a little bit more than kind of one or two sentences that kind of give the general idea.
00:40:31
And I'm like, when you're asked about the Supreme Court, as she was in that CNN town hall, I interviewed Neil Katiya in front of his law firm and a bunch of clients now.
00:40:41
He's brilliant, right?
00:40:42
He's a constitutional law professor.
00:40:44
I mean, the guy, the brain is unparalleled.
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And he was talking about the pros and cons of expanding the Supreme Court and of term limits from a historical perspective, I don't expect her to say that, but I want a little bit more meat on the bone van,
00:40:59
not so much for me, but for listeners.
00:41:02
I want her to say, you know what, I want to look into this.
00:41:06
There's some pros to that.
00:41:07
There's some cons.
00:41:08
But one thing I do think is absolutely necessary is a code of ethics for Supreme Court justices who have clearly exhibited a conflict of interest on several occasions over the past two years.
00:41:21
Yeah.
00:41:22
I don't know.
00:41:23
I think when you've got a candidate on the other side who's like, people are ripping the heads off cats and dogs in the street.
00:41:27
You're just like, let me just hold on.
00:41:30
Everybody.
00:41:31
I guess, I guess we treat her as a normal candidate and we want, you know, and we tolerate him as an abnormal candidate.
00:41:40
And so is that unfair in your view?
00:41:43
I think it's 100% unfair, but I also think that I understand what Sam is saying.
00:41:48
She's saying, listen, she's already pulled off 800 miracles, right?
00:41:51
Like to take over a campaign a hundred days of collection day to hold this party together to get the Chinese and Chomsky on the same bus to keep driving it forward to be able to have to switch out some of the campaigns that you can't switch out all the,
00:42:05
because you don't have a beat like, so I agree, it's like, she's pulled off 850 miracles already and we should just give her a applause.
00:42:13
And I also feel that for whatever reason, she has locked it on the strategy of just saying the same thing every time and even showing me that God said, you know, he just sound like a robot and she goes,
00:42:25
let's call discipline, but I do think that given the voters were trying to move who, you know, they can't, they can't be more pulled by Donald Trump and they still haven't moved and you can't be more impressed by a resume and they still haven't moved.
00:42:39
What do they need to hear?
00:42:41
I do think they hear something else.
00:42:43
There's something that she's not doing.
00:42:46
And so look, I would say, I love that answer on Supreme Court.
00:42:49
You gave, I love my answer on fracking.
00:42:52
We get all correct answers, but we're in date now.
00:42:55
And so the thing I would say is whatever you need to say to your own friends, because again, 537 votes, whatever you can, like, come was not going to talk to your friends.
00:43:05
She's going to be on a stage.
00:43:06
She's going to be interviewing you to talk to your friends.
00:43:09
You have your Facebook followers.
00:43:10
You have your Instagram followers.
00:43:12
You have your WhatsApp chat groups.
00:43:14
You've got your, and you should just say, I am the other common here as campaign manager.
00:43:18
And I am personally myself going to make the arguments that I think are valid to my friends and be aggressive about it and be passionate about it.
00:43:26
Donald Trump closes strong.
00:43:28
He always closes strong.
00:43:30
He's going to have even more devastating campaign ads to come out.
00:43:34
He's going, he always closes strong.
00:43:37
And so if you, if you, to Sam's point, if you can appreciate that if you had to run for President 100 days from now, how hard it would be for you.
00:43:46
Yeah, like I feel so cynical for being a person who's like, I actually think there's no almost no room for nuance.
00:43:52
It's just like everything, anytime she dips into nuance, I think she risks a larger swath of the population.
00:44:00
I think it's all about risk management, keeping steady, getting to the ellipse, giving, delivering that like heavy hammer.
00:44:09
Like I, I just don't, I feel, I totally understand and appreciate what you're saying.
00:44:14
I'm just not sure that the nuance is going to move people.
00:44:17
I literally think it could be like a coupon for a sandwich on the way into the voting booth.
00:44:21
It's going to move, no one's doing that.
00:44:23
That's not legal.
00:44:24
But I do think the coupon for a question else might actually seal the deal.
00:44:29
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00:47:28
It's a full-out bruhaha over the LA Times and the Washington Post failure to endorse a candidate.
00:47:37
I'm surprised that there are many people who don't understand or appreciate or maybe it's outlived its usefulness, the separation from an editorial board and the rest of the paper.
00:47:51
And I do think I was talking to Nancy Gibbs who was at a wedding, I was at former Editor-in-Chief of Time, now teaches public policy at Harvard, you know that when Ruth Marcus of the Washington Post says an endorsement represents the heart and soul of the newspaper,
00:48:07
that's a little misleading for readers.
00:48:10
It's really the editorial board and it's a separate entity, but I'm curious for you both to weigh in on these two major newspapers at the behest of their billionaire owners deciding not to endorse a candidate.
00:48:26
Yeah, I don't like it.
00:48:29
I do think I think in subtle and not so subtle ways people are preparing for a Trump presidency and I don't like to see it.
00:48:38
I don't like to see it on Wall Street and I don't like to see it in, I guess, feels to me like democracy, is I in darkness like, no, what?
00:48:49
The editorial, I don't think that the editorial board has outlived its usefulness.
00:48:53
I think they should have done it and I am really dismayed, like a really disheartened that they weren't doing it.
00:49:00
I don't know that it moves people, but yeah, it should exist.
00:49:05
What do you think, fan?
00:49:06
Yeah, I think newspapers don't matter as much as they used to, but I still matter.
00:49:12
And I think that people don't understand the editorial board, you can have an opinion about a candidate and still have the other, on the other side of the wall, often literally are the reporters and they can still do fair reporting.
00:49:24
So we've kind of known that for 150 years in the United States.
00:49:28
So I would much rather them the way I don't think 10 years from now if we have very bad outcome from a Trump presidency, anybody's going to be proud that they stood on the sidelines.
00:49:39
I think that people should, I think that I think that people should take us to the end one way or the other.
00:49:46
I agree with you.
00:49:47
I don't think you cover yourself in glory if 100 years from now or 10 years from now, you wouldn't register an opinion about what's coming.
00:49:56
And by the way, and I say this no matter what your view is, if your view is that, you know, Kamala Harris is just not met your bar.
00:50:05
And if your view is that you think that the economy would be in better hands with Donald Trump, that would be interesting to know.
00:50:11
Like whatever it is.
00:50:12
I'm just saying, I mean, I'm not saying it's got to be for Kamala.
00:50:14
It's got to be for Trump.
00:50:15
But I think that we don't want our institutions to be, we don't want our few remaining institutions to not offer their honest opinion at a time of great consequence.
00:50:27
Yeah.
00:50:28
Now is the time to plant a flag.
00:50:30
Yeah.
00:50:31
One way or the other.
00:50:32
I mean, again, maybe there's something I haven't heard.
00:50:35
I think it's also a little ironic that Trump administration or Trump officials were visiting Blue Origin when this decision was made by Jeff Bezos.
00:50:48
It just seems really.
00:50:50
Yeah.
00:50:51
Well, I know Jeff Bezos.
00:50:54
I'm quite fine with him.
00:50:56
Oh, yeah.
00:50:57
He gave you a lot of money to give away like a hundred million dollars, right?
00:51:00
Exactly.
00:51:01
I know Jeff Bezos.
00:51:02
I'm quite fine with him.
00:51:03
I've not talked to him about this.
00:51:04
I don't know.
00:51:05
I literally, Kim Kardashian is a good friend of mine.
00:51:09
I just count 98% of what gets said about them in public because it's almost always not right.
00:51:15
So I do not know what decision making was.
00:51:18
I would just say as a matter of principle, I would say this two are about anyone.
00:51:22
This is not a time to be quiet.
00:51:23
I think people should put their best thinking forward so that we can make informed decisions.
00:51:29
When this episode drops, the election will be less than a week away.
00:51:34
What do you think is going to happen, man?
00:51:37
You know, I think it's going to be House to House combat.
00:51:41
I think it's going to come down to, I think this will be the closest, I think it's going to be one of the closest elections in American history.
00:51:47
But I'll tell you, it's in the hands of the people who are listening.
00:51:51
I mean, we can also hear right speeches for everybody and that sort of stuff.
00:51:57
They ain't got to read those speeches.
00:51:58
You can write a text message.
00:52:00
It's going to be read.
00:52:01
You can make a phone call.
00:52:02
It's going to be heard.
00:52:03
It will come.
00:52:04
Anything else, what I would say is you don't want to be sitting there, whoever you're for, sitting there on last night saying, I wish I had done one thing more.
00:52:12
I think the next several days, you should put every arrow in the air.
00:52:16
You should do everything you possibly can if you've never done a video selfie on your social media, do it because that might move three votes.
00:52:24
You have no idea the impact you can have.
00:52:27
Sometimes people put stuff up and it goes mega viral and changes the whole conversation.
00:52:31
So I think that it is in the hands of ordinary people at this point, everyday people at this point, especially in the seven battleground states.
00:52:39
And if you don't know, if you live in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Arizona, or Nevada, your vote matters more than anybody else's vote in the country.
00:52:52
Those seven states, if you live in those states, your vote is 100 votes.
00:52:56
If you live in those states, your vote is a thousand votes.
00:52:58
Your vote counts more than all the rest of our votes combined because those are the seven states that will determine this election.
00:53:04
So if you live in those seven battleground states, you have a responsibility to vote whichever way you feel, and you will have a bigger impact on the election in those states and any of us talking about it.
00:53:15
Yeah.
00:53:16
I think we're going to know the night of.
00:53:17
No.
00:53:18
No.
00:53:19
I don't think so.
00:53:20
No.
00:53:21
And I think we should remind everyone we know that you don't have to tell anybody how you voted in that voting booth.
00:53:25
You don't have to tell a damn soul.
00:53:28
You don't have to vote one way just because your parents did and your grandparents did and your husband told you that you had to or your wife thought that you, that would be a good idea for you.
00:53:37
You can tell anybody anything you want.
00:53:38
You can vote with your conscience.
00:53:40
But for what you know is right.
00:53:43
I thought Michelle Obama's speech is great.
00:53:46
Emphasize that.
00:53:47
Yep.
00:53:48
We have to use our voices to make these choices clear to the men that we love.
00:54:00
Our lives are worth more than their anger and disappointment.
00:54:05
And we are more than just baby making vessels.
00:54:15
And if you are a woman who lives in a household of men that don't listen to you or value your opinion, just remember that your vote is a private matter.
00:54:29
Regardless of the political views of your partner, you get to choose.
00:54:35
You get to use your judgment and cast your vote for yourself and the women in your life.
00:54:41
For women, standing up for what is best for us can make the difference in this election.
00:54:50
So let us use our voices in these final days.
00:54:56
That was a pretty powerful speech, didn't you think, Van?
00:54:59
Michelle Obama may be the best communicator in the English language right now.
00:55:03
I mean, she is so good.
00:55:05
I always say, I love Obama.
00:55:07
She is just unbelievable and I thought she did a great job of wanting out to men.
00:55:18
What it's like to be a man when you're the woman you care about, your partner, your daughter is in medical distress and she is bleeding out and the doctors are standing there looking at her and afraid that they help your loved one,
00:55:32
they are going to go to prison and they are really just letting people bleed out of parking lots as a man, as someone who wants to be able to protect the people that you love.
00:55:44
What does it mean?
00:55:45
I don't sell a message of like it takes two people to make an unplanned pregnancy.
00:55:49
Do you want to be able to do something about that or do you not?
00:55:53
You have skin on the gang, you're part of this, be part of it.
00:55:57
I thought Michelle did just an unbelievable job as she always does and she makes it look so easy.
00:56:04
It's very difficult to do what she does.
00:56:05
That's the argument that she makes the way that she makes and who she's being when she's making them.
00:56:10
I just think Michelle Obama is a national trend.
00:56:12
She also had a little bit of a cold, I could tell, so why were your nose, she pulled it off anyway.
00:56:20
Do you think the Democratic Party needs to retool?
00:56:24
My husband John says things like, how this election is so close, what does it say about the Democratic Party and I'm curious what you think it says about the Democratic Party?
00:56:36
Has it lost its way, has it lost its mojo?
00:56:40
Look, I'm always willing to look in the mirror.
00:56:46
If something goes wrong in my life, the easy thing you do is to say that person sucks and that person sucks and the other person sucks and why did they do that?
00:56:52
The harder thing you do is say, you know what, what did I do to create the situation?
00:56:57
If it's 99% the other person's fault, I look for my 1%, and so I'm not trying to let literal fascists off the hook.
00:57:08
That is its own thing, but is there anything I can look at on our side?
00:57:12
Yeah, I can look at stuff on our side.
00:57:15
I think we have created a style on the progressive left that's obnoxious and that makes people feel uncomfortable and unwelcome too often.
00:57:25
I mean, we change terms every six months.
00:57:28
Somebody said, I was a buy-pock.
00:57:31
I said, I've never gone to a buy-pock church or a buy, I've never eaten any buy-pock food.
00:57:37
Is there a buy-pock barbershop?
00:57:39
What are you talking about?
00:57:40
You Latin X, you make up these terms and then people feel dumb because they don't know them.
00:57:45
And then I think we also have created a situation where we think the Trump is pulling people.
00:57:50
I think we're pushing people.
00:57:52
I said on Bill Maher, if we have a party where we say, all white people are racist, all of you, all racist, all men are toxic, all billionaires are evil.
00:58:01
Well, then you can't be mad when white male billionaires, like Elon Musk, leave our party.
00:58:06
Elon Musk was a Democrat supporting Andrew Yang four years ago.
00:58:11
Now he is on some crazy bus.
00:58:13
I don't let him off the hook.
00:58:15
He has a responsibility to defend democracy and not undermine it.
00:58:19
Is there a 1% where if someone like him comes into the room, if a straight white male comes into the room, if someone who is Jewish and his pro-Israel comes into the room,
00:58:33
are they welcome or not?
00:58:35
Do we want them or not?
00:58:37
I have a friend who's covering the Trump campaign and I asked her about Trump supporters.
00:58:42
And she said, in her view, a lot of it has to do with, quote, "lefty lecture culture."
00:58:50
I thought that was a very interesting observation.
00:58:53
And I think it basically encompasses, man, what you're talking about.
00:58:58
And after the election, I think we should do a whole analysis of it.
00:59:00
But until the election, whatever sins and flaws we have are literally nothing compared to a overtly racist, overtly fascist,
00:59:11
overtly authoritarian mass phenomenon that is about to not only ruin America, if it wins, but also abandon people in Ukraine and also make sure we don't fix the climate crisis.
00:59:24
So I am not trying to take any of the foot out the gas, but after this election, can we say the same things more kindly?
00:59:32
Yes.
00:59:33
Can we defend African-American Latinos, Latinas, poor folks, the environment more kindly, more wisely, more empathetically?
00:59:41
Can we be more magnetic?
00:59:43
Yes, we can.
00:59:45
And perhaps be less judgmental and self-righteous.
00:59:48
I don't know.
00:59:49
You're less judging and shitty toward people.
00:59:50
Yes.
00:59:51
That's not, can we improve?
00:59:54
Yes.
00:59:55
Can we be more magnetic along with me?
00:59:57
Yes.
00:59:58
Should we be?
00:59:59
Yes.
01:00:00
Thanks a lot for the question, Van Jones.
01:00:03
Thank you, Van.
01:00:04
All right.
01:00:05
Thank you.
01:00:06
Talk to you soon.
01:00:07
Sam.
01:00:08
Yes.
01:00:09
I really like Van Jones.
01:00:10
I like him too.
01:00:11
Talk to him in other arenas, and I always enjoy, I always enjoy his perspective.
01:00:17
He's great.
01:00:18
What do you think about those closing remarks about the Democratic Party?
01:00:23
People just want to be governed from the middle.
01:00:25
They just want to be governed from the middle.
01:00:26
They just seem to like the majority of the country lives pretty much in the middle zone.
01:00:32
And they just want a steady hand.
01:00:36
They want things that are actually more simple than sometimes we make them.
01:00:41
I can agree with that.
01:00:43
Who do you think is going to win?
01:00:47
I don't know.
01:00:48
I don't want to manifest a big bad problem.
01:00:54
But I will say that I think it's going to be extremely close and a squeaker.
01:00:59
And that is so distressing.
01:01:01
So I don't know either way, but I do have a sick feeling in my stomach that there's a chance we can have a repeat of 2016.
01:01:11
And I'm the one's popular vote by a wide, wide margin.
01:01:14
But those electoral colleges are very pesky.
01:01:17
So I don't really know, I think anything is possible.
01:01:24
I don't know that one is more probable than the other.
01:01:26
And that is extremely distressing in that I think necessitates like a real reckoning.
01:01:34
Like who actually are we here?
01:01:37
Regardless of who wins, who actually are we that this is a squeaker?
01:01:40
It's absolutely, it's absolutely awful.
01:01:44
Well, I have to say, on that positive note, Sam, thanks so much for being with me today.
01:01:51
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01:02:01
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