Live from UNLEASH America, it’s an unfiltered convo with Steve Bartel (CEO, Gem) and Alla Mezhvinsky (VP, Talent & Workplace, Glean)—and it’s not your average kumbaya on hiring trends.

🧠 From AI-fueled chaos to tech stack therapy sessions, we’re diving headfirst into:

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  🤖 Resume spam and deepfake candidates

  
  


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  💸 Scaling dreams on skeleton budgets

  
  


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  🧱 Platform vs. integration: who ya got?

  
  


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  📊 Real data, real decisions—no BS dashboards

  
  

Steve even spills the story behind how he got the Gem.com domain (spoiler: startup fairy tales aren't real).

We’re talking transparency that actually builds trust, AI that actually works, and tech stacks that actually don’t blow up your budget.

If you're tired of hype and want honest recruiting talk from people who live it—this episode's your antidote.

🎧 Press play or keep clinging to that broken job description.

00:00 - In this Episode
0:49 - How Steve Got Gem.com
4:05 - Alla's & Steve's Elevator Pitch
5:24 - Steve's Sense on the Conference
8:51 - Balancing Limited Resources Amid Growing Demands
14:30 - Rethinking Job Descriptions
16:10 - Deepfakes, Resume Spam, and the Hiring Hype: What's Real?
19:29 - Bringing Transparency to the Hiring Timeline
24:04 - Tariff Talk and Client Reaction
28:39 - Platforms vs. Integrations in the AI Era
31:22 - Reassessing the Stack: When and Why?
35:07 - Leveraging Data for Change in Talent Acquisition
38:17 - What the Future Looks Like