Our guest Leif Christian has experienced the world of two fringe religions, Church Universal and Triumphant, and an offshoot organization, the Hearts Center.

We discuss psychological impacts of church exposure, what "decrees" were, guilt and judgement, the impact of being "special", personal responsibility, some reasons why members lean right wing, political obsession in the Hearts Center, the "Golden Age" implications, and how people can decide a way forward in their lives.

Leif was six years old during the bomb shelter cycle in 1990.