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Gaia Wakes: When Earth Grows a Brain

Gaia Wakes: When Earth Grows a Brain

Update: 2025-10-13
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What happens when Earth itself starts to wake up? In this episode, Kroc School Prof. Topher McDougal joins us to talk about his new book Gaia Wakes, where he explores the idea of Earth’s emergent consciousness and the possibility of a global AI-powered governance system. From the collision of economics and ecology to the Butlerian Jihad of the Dune series, McDougal pushes us to rethink humanity’s role in an AI-dominated future.

In this wide-ranging episode, we dive into Luddites, the idea of a grand bargain between humans and AI, and what it really means to have — or be — a soul. In this episode we discuss:

  • The four radical evolutionary upgrades (so far…)
  • Humans as natural phenomena
  • Why our future may demand a new relationship with technology
  • The ethical risks of being domesticated by our own tools


Check out these links for more information after you listen:

Gaia Wakes The Book: https://cup.columbia.edu/book/gaia-wakes/9781788218283/


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Gaia Wakes: When Earth Grows a Brain

Gaia Wakes: When Earth Grows a Brain

University of San Diego's Kroc School of Peace Studies