Let's pick up these artists and let them shout proud about what they do for work. The arts is an industry of talented, passionate and dedicated professionals, but isn't it about time other industries started treating us as that? Isn't it about time a creative career in the arts is given the respect its due? Isn't it about time we started shouting about our real jobs?

In this episode, we're discussing all of this and more as we chat about getting a 'real job' with a young artist and one of their parents; recorded in the studio, hosted by activist and artist, Bethany Slinn. We're joined by Ahsen Sayeed (photographer, filmmaker and member of the BAIT Collective) and his mum Shagufta.

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This podcast is supported by The Space and Arts Council England through National Lottery funding. It is hosted by Bethany Slinn and produced by Fabio Thomas. Graphic design by Bradley Morrison, animation from Malikah Holder, music by Earwax Addict, and sound and video editing by Pete Styles.