In this episode of the AfterWords podcast, Alex McGraw sits down with Pastor Noel to explore one of the most theologically loaded and emotionally charged questions in Christianity: Does God choose us, or do we choose Him? They unpack the mystery of God’s sovereignty and human free will through the story of Jonah, salsa dancing, motorcycles, and the butterfly effect. Along the way, they discuss how this tension brings comfort, how our failures fit into God’s plan, and why embracing mystery is often more faithful than forcing certainty. It’s a conversation that will make you laugh, think deeply, and maybe even rethink your theology—gleefully inconsistently, of course.

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