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Grid Chaos and Data Centers: Where To Go From Here

Grid Chaos and Data Centers: Where To Go From Here

Update: 2025-08-08
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In this episode of Plugged In, host Chuck Hanna welcomes Brian Janous, Co-founder of Cloverleaf Infrastructure and former leader of Microsoft’s global energy team. They explore the energy sector’s changing dynamics, driven by skyrocketing demand from data centers and a shift in emphasis from buying energy to securing capacity. Janous shares insights from his 25-year career in the power and utilities industry, highlighting the current strain on the grid, the role of utilities, and the importance of building energy resilience. 

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  • Janous’s career journey (01:10 )

  • Grid challenges today (02:59 )

  • Short-term and long-term viability of the new technologies (04:38 )

  • Alternatives for resilient backup power (07:21 )

  • Cloverleaf Infrastructure’s business model (08:29 )

  • Competitive vs. regulated markets (13:55 )

  • Outlook on the grid’s future (18:38 )


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Brian is the Co-founder and Chief Commercial Officer of Cloverleaf Infrastructure. Cloverleaf aims to solve the critical problem of expanding grid capacity to support the largest electric customer loads to spur economic growth and investment. Previously, Brian served as VP of Energy at Microsoft, supporting the development and execution of Microsoft’s global cloud and AI energy strategy. This included oversight of energy policy, procurement, renewable energy, distributed generation, and overall environmental impact. Prior to Microsoft, Brian worked as a consultant at Brubaker & Associates, assisting Fortune 500 companies with energy procurement, policy, and sustainability matters. 


Brian serves on the board of VEIR, a pioneer in superconducting transmission technology, and Protect Our Winters. He also holds advisory board positions with LineVision, a leader in dynamic line rating technology, LevelTen Energy, operator of the largest marketplace for renewable energy buyers, and the Institute for Energy Studies at Western Washington University. Brian holds an MBA from Webster University, a Bachelor of Science in Finance and a Bachelor of Arts in Philosophy from the University of Missouri.




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Grid Chaos and Data Centers: Where To Go From Here

Grid Chaos and Data Centers: Where To Go From Here

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