Will there be a vaccine? Or will we have to learn to live with the virus? Professor Papaarangi Reid, Tumuaki and Head of Department of Māori Health at the Faculty of Medical and Health Sciences; Dr David Nabbaro, WHO’s special envoy for Covid-19; and former Prime Minister Helen Clark talk with Guyon about health.

A vaccine is not an easy answer to the Covid-19 crisis, warns a leading academic, and we may need to adjust our behaviour to learn to live with the virus.

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Professor Papaarangi Reid, Tumuaki and Head of Department of Māori Health at the Faculty of Medical and Health Sciences, was talking to RNZ's Guyon Espiner in the podcast After the Virus, which hosts discussions with New Zealand and international experts about the post-pandemic world.

Professor Reid said she was hopeful about the development of a vaccine but cautioned against relying solely upon it, citing concerns around timely and equitable access.

'In Māori terms, it (the Covid-19 virus) is a ngārara, something from the natural world and we do have to learn to live with,' said Professor Reid. 'We do have to correct ourselves to learn to live with something that's unpleasant.

'I am concerned that we are pinning our hopes that a vaccine is going to come charging over the horizon any minute now. And I'm not quite holding my breath on that.'

Professor Reid was joined in the podcast by Dr David Nabbaro, WHO's special envoy for Covid-19, and former Prime Minister Helen Clark.

Calling herself a worried optimist, Clark agreed with concerns around the equity of distribution and allocation of a vaccine, arguing that any Covid-19 vaccine needs to be free to everyone. In May Clark joined 140 world leaders in signing a letter calling for all Covid-19 testing, treatment and any vaccine to be made free and patent-free to all. She cited the example of Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the polio vaccine but did not patent it.

'That's the spirit and ethos we need now. The thought that only rich people in rich countries would get access to something that is literally lifesaving and serious disease -preventing is just abhorrent to me'

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