In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose. Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.

The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.

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