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How Iran and Israel Became Enemies

How Iran and Israel Became Enemies

Update: 2024-10-051
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This podcast delves into the intricate history of the Iran-Israel conflict, debunking the myth of "ancient hatreds" and highlighting the complex relationship between the two nations. It traces the conflict's evolution from its historical roots, including the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the period of secret cooperation between Iran and Israel, to the present day. The podcast examines how the Lebanese Civil War in 1975 became a turning point, with both countries intervening for their own reasons. It then explores how the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 significantly escalated the rivalry, prompting Iran to ramp up its nuclear program and expand its network of proxy forces. The podcast further analyzes the role of the Syrian Civil War in deepening the conflict, highlighting the involvement of Hezbollah and the impact on Iran's proxy network. The episode concludes with a discussion of the recent escalation of the conflict, focusing on the October 7th attack by Hamas and the subsequent Israeli invasion of Gaza. The hosts discuss how the conflict has fractured Iran's network of proxy forces and the potential consequences for the region. They acknowledge the deep-seated enmity between Iran and Israel but express uncertainty about the trajectory of their rivalry, emphasizing the human cost of the conflict and the need for a peaceful resolution.

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The Iran-Israel Conflict: A Complex History

This episode explores the historical roots of the Iran-Israel conflict, debunking the notion of "ancient hatreds" and highlighting the complex relationship between the two countries. The hosts discuss the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and its impact on relations with Israel, as well as the period of secret cooperation between the two nations.

00:04:19
Turning Points: The Lebanese Civil War and the Iraq War

The episode explores how the Lebanese Civil War in 1975 became a catalyst for the Iran-Israel rivalry. Both countries intervened in the conflict for their own reasons, with Israel seeking to expel the PLO and Iran seeking to expand its influence in the region. The episode also examines how the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 significantly escalated the Iran-Israel rivalry. Iran's response to the perceived threat from the U.S. included ramping up its nuclear program and expanding its network of proxy forces, which directly challenged Israel's security interests.

00:17:44
The Syrian Civil War and the Current Conflict

The episode discusses the role of the Syrian Civil War in deepening the Iran-Israel conflict. Iran's support for the Syrian government led to Hezbollah's involvement in the war, resulting in significant losses for the group and a decline in its reputation. The episode analyzes the recent escalation of the Iran-Israel conflict, focusing on the October 7th attack by Hamas and the subsequent Israeli invasion of Gaza. The hosts discuss how the conflict has fractured Iran's network of proxy forces and the potential consequences for the region.

00:26:17
The Future of the Rivalry

The episode concludes with a discussion of the potential implications of the current conflict for the future of the Middle East. The hosts acknowledge the deep-seated enmity between Iran and Israel but express uncertainty about the trajectory of their rivalry. They emphasize the human cost of the conflict and the need for a peaceful resolution.

Keywords

Iran-Israel Conflict


The complex and long-standing rivalry between Iran and Israel, marked by historical tensions, proxy wars, and regional power struggles.

Iranian Revolution


The 1979 revolution that overthrew the Shah of Iran and led to the establishment of an Islamic Republic, significantly impacting relations with Israel.

Lebanese Civil War


A protracted conflict in Lebanon from 1975 to 1990 that became a proxy war between Iran and Israel, further escalating tensions.

Iraq War


The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, which significantly escalated the Iran-Israel rivalry as Iran sought to counter U.S. influence and expand its proxy network.

Syrian Civil War


The ongoing civil war in Syria, which has deepened the Iran-Israel conflict through Iran's support for the Syrian government and Hezbollah's involvement.

Axis of Resistance


A network of Iranian-backed proxy groups in the Middle East, including Hezbollah, Hamas, and various militias in Iraq, seen as a counterweight to U.S. and Israeli influence.

Proxy War


A conflict where two opposing powers support and arm different factions in a third country, often without directly engaging in combat themselves. This allows for indirect confrontation and influence without risking direct military conflict.

Nuclear Latency


A strategy employed by states to maintain the capability to rapidly develop nuclear weapons in the event of an emergency. It involves possessing the necessary components and expertise but not fully assembling a weapon.

Q&A

  • What are the historical roots of the Iran-Israel conflict?

    The conflict is not rooted in "ancient hatreds" but rather in a complex relationship that has evolved over time. The Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the Lebanese Civil War were key turning points, leading to increased tensions and a proxy war between the two countries.

  • How did the Iraq War escalate the Iran-Israel rivalry?

    The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 prompted Iran to ramp up its nuclear program and expand its network of proxy forces, which directly challenged Israel's security interests. This led to a new era of conflict between the two countries.

  • What is the significance of the Syrian Civil War in the Iran-Israel conflict?

    Iran's support for the Syrian government led to Hezbollah's involvement in the war, resulting in significant losses for the group and a decline in its reputation. This has weakened Iran's proxy network and contributed to the current escalation of the conflict.

  • How has the recent conflict between Israel and Hamas affected the Iran-Israel rivalry?

    The October 7th attack by Hamas and the subsequent Israeli invasion of Gaza have fractured Iran's network of proxy forces, exposing divisions within the "Axis of Resistance." This has emboldened Israel to target Iranian-backed groups more aggressively.

  • What are the potential implications of the current conflict for the future of the Middle East?

    The deep-seated enmity between Iran and Israel is self-perpetuating, but the current conflict has weakened both sides. The future of the rivalry is uncertain, but the human cost of the conflict is significant, highlighting the need for a peaceful resolution.

Show Notes

Iran launched ballistic missiles at Israel this week, in the latest escalation between the two Middle Eastern powers. But would you believe that 40 years ago the two nations enjoyed a quiet diplomacy? What happened here? And why is the rest of the Middle East once more getting sucked into the rivalry? This week on How We Got Here, Max and Erin explain why “ancient hatred” isn’t to blame, what role Lebanon and Hezbollah play, and how Donald Trump has made—and could still make—all of this much, much worse.

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How Iran and Israel Became Enemies

How Iran and Israel Became Enemies

Erin Ryan, Max Fisher