This year at the All Things Sustainable podcast, we've heard from many professionals who are uncertain about the future of climate action and sustainability and what’s ahead for their careers.  

We've also heard from numerous companies that continue to pursue their sustainability strategies and climate targets, even as some are talking about this less in public or changing the language they use to describe their efforts. In today’s episode, we’re asking: How are sustainability professionals weathering the storm?  

We speak to three guests on the sidelines of an event the UN Global Compact Mexico hosted in June:  

We talk with Jill Dumain, founding partner at the corporate sustainability consultancy Fractal CSOs and former Director of Global Environmental Strategy at outdoor clothing and gear company Patagonia. She says the current headwinds are a temporary setback.  

"It's very easy for all of us to be myopic around this moment in time: ‘The sky is falling in. Everything is against us,’" Jill says. "But in the grand scheme of things over an arc of 15 or 20 years, this is a little bump in the road." 

We sit down with Simon Mainwaring, Founder and CEO of strategic brand consultancy We First, who explains why the current moment presents an opportunity.  

“We got out over our skis a little bit in terms of acronyms and making it a little bit wonkish and heady, and that not only alienated a lot of people ... it set ourselves up to be politicized in a way that didn't really serve the intent behind this work,” Simon tells us. "As a result, we're being forced to walk back some of that wonkish language and reframe our language to reach back and take people with us.”

And we hear from Christopher Lilholm, Global Head of ESG and Sustainability Services at DNV, an assurance and risk management firm.

Listen to our episode How companies in Latin America are embedding sustainability amid shifting dynamics. 

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