Marlee Grace is a dancer, writer, artist, and shape maker. She also knows how to not work. :)

She wrote a book called How to Not Always Be Working : a toolkit for creativity and radical self care as well as zines about sobriety and phone addiction. She teaches improvisation as a dance form in real life, online classes on art making and rituals, and sees one one clients who want to unblock their creativity and small business practices.

Marlee and I talk about one of her new hobbies (skateboarding), why it is important to separate your work activities from your not work activities, why you don’t really need a vacation responder, the importance of dancing, inspiring people to follow on instagram, and how our creative generation is carving a healthy path for the future of our society.