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INTENTIONAL AMATEURISM: In Defense Of Dabbling with Karen Walrond

INTENTIONAL AMATEURISM: In Defense Of Dabbling with Karen Walrond

Update: 2025-10-08
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After a short micro-break, Katie returns with author, lawyer, leadership coach, and all-around light-maker Karen Walrond to celebrate the joy of being an INTENTIONAL AMATEUR. Instead of hustling every interest into a side-gig, Karen invites us to dabble for the love of it — no end game required. They unpack why hobbies matter, how to find ones that actually feel like relief, and the seven attributes that make play a true self-care practice. 

IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

  • Why Karen resists the "be better" subtext of self-help when it comes to hobbies
  • Reclaiming the word "amateur"
  • The 7 attributes of intentional amateurism 
  • Why it's okay (and healthy) to stay mediocre and never become an "expert"
  • Dabbling vs. committing, and how to notice when something is life-giving hard (stretch) vs. depleting hard (pressure/perfectionism).
  • and more!

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SHOW NOTES:

Get the book: https://www.chookooloonks.com/in-defense-of-dabbling

Karen's website: https://www.chookooloonks.com/ 

THE MAKE LIGHT JOURNAL on Substack: https://chookooloonks.substack.com/ 

Join us in NYC on 10/14! 

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Karen on the WANTcast talking RADIANT REBELLION

Karen on the WANTcast talking about THE POWER OF NOT KNOWING

Karen on the WANTcast talking about BEING YOURSELF NO MATTER WHAT

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Subscribe to SELF-TALK SUNDAYS on Substack: http://womenagainstnegativetalk.substack.com

Follow Katie on Instagram: http://instagram.com/katiehorwitch

Get WANT YOUR SELF! http://wantyourself.com

Learn more about Katie: http://katiehorwitch.com

Learn more about WANT at: http://womenagainstnegativetalk.com

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IF YOU LOVED THIS EPISODE, DON'T FORGET TO: 

Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts and your favorite podcast platform. Now get dabbling!

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INTENTIONAL AMATEURISM: In Defense Of Dabbling with Karen Walrond

INTENTIONAL AMATEURISM: In Defense Of Dabbling with Karen Walrond

Katie Horwitch