In this episode, host David Campese sits down with legendary Australian rugby commentator Gordon Bray to discuss his new book "The Immortals of Australian Rugby Union." Bray shares the fascinating story behind selecting the 15 "immortals" - the greatest Wallabies players of all time. Listeners will learn:

• The criteria Bray used to choose the immortals, including on-field performance and off-field impact

• Insights and anecdotes about some of the immortals, like Cyril Towers, Greg Cornelsen, and David Campese himself

• Bray's perspective on the current state of Australian rugby and the need to reconnect with the sport's rich history and grassroots

• Personal stories and memories from Bray's legendary career as the "voice of rugby" in Australia

This episode is a must-listen for any fan of Australian rugby who wants to gain a deeper appreciation for the game's greatest legends and the challenges facing the sport today. Bray's passion and knowledge shine through, making this a compelling and enlightening conversation.

Podcast produced by Martin Franklin / East Coast Studio

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