TW: this episode contains discussions of topics including violence and traumatic events.

On today's episode (our tenth anniversary, if you will) we welcome the brilliant Kathy Kleiner Rubin.

One of the few surviving victims of Ted Bundy’s infamous 1978 attack on the Chi Omega sorority house at Florida State University, at just 20 years old she endured a brutal assault. She suffered from a fractured jaw, a nearly severed tongue and other severe injuries – while two of her sorority sisters tragically lost their lives.

In her memoir A Light in the Dark: Surviving More Than Ted Bundy, co-authored with Emilie Le Beau Lucchesi, she shares her powerful journey from trauma to triumph – and challenges the media’s glamorised portrayal of Bundy.

Together, we discussed the importance of giving victims a name and a voice – and the dangers of romanticising killers through true crime media. Kathy shares powerful insights on trauma, healing and why the real story is in the survival.

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