Dave Porter, AKA the Meta4Man has been a friend, mentor & colleague of mine for over 13 years. It was through our collaborations together that we have found ways to utilize both our gifts, as a team to create meaningful symbolism in ours & others environments. This is us discussing the story of how it all began when he asked me one question. Be aware, this casual is a conversation between two friends mainly. It's a little vulnerable as well as unedited & imperfectly perfect. I'm grateful he is willing to have these conversations recorded now. I've been wanting to share this way of looking at things for a while. I think he has a lot of wisdom to share & for anyone interested in either Interior Design or Astrology...you may find it interesting.