Listen to this great conversation with Ben about church culture. You'll hear some great nuggets like "surrender is not a consumer message," even if that preaches well, it's hard to live out. One of Ben's key points includes leaving behind the spent ashes, but never leave the fire. Look for the coals, the embers, and carry them forward. Honor the past as you look forward to the future.
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