What if the problem isn’t conflict—but the way we define it?

In this powerful and eye-opening episode of Coffee & Grit, I sit down with the legendary leader & EOS Implementer Mike Gruley to stir the pot on a topic most people avoid: communication that creates breakthroughs, not breakdowns.

We unpack the silent killer of progress—artificial harmony—and explore how most people confuse healthy conversation with conflict. From family blowups to business breakdowns, we explore why people avoid the uncomfortable, and what happens when we finally stop dancing around the truth.
Mike brings his decades of leadership wisdom to the table with humor, empathy, and raw storytelling. We dive into everything from childhood conditioning to boardroom dynamics, and how curiosity—not judgment—is the secret to building unstoppable teams.

We cover: 
🔥 The lie we’ve been sold about conflict
🔥 How to get real without making it personal
🔥 The power of asking better questions
🔥 What happens when you lead with vulnerability
🔥 How EOS and core values transform culture from the inside out
🔥 And yes… the infamous “doggy or sheep” metaphor that will change how you see miscommunication forever

If you’re tired of surface-level BS, if you’ve been losing sleep over conversations you’re not having, or if you’re ready to become the kind of leader people run through walls for—this is the episode you’ve been waiting for.

Hell is meeting the person you could have been.

Start the conversation that sets you free.


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