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J.C. Gabel continues to discusses with Malcolm how creativity affects his work and personal life. Part 4 of their discussion focuses heavily on the current global financial system and how it affects book publishers.

Topics include; Los Lobos, Warren Ellis, Rutger Bregman, Dizzy Gillespie, Duke Ellington, Los Angeles culture and history, Dub Lab, Big Table podcast, The Decline of Western Civilization Parts 1 and 2, Slash: A Punk Magazine from Los Angeles, 1977–80 and everything you ever wanted to know about living in an Orwellian dystopia!

*Recorded July 2025 in Silver Lake - Los Angeles, CA.

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CREATIVITY IS THE CURE is a podcast about how creativity influences people in their daily lives and work. In each episode, Malcolm Moore interviews fascinating people of diverse ages, cultures, spiritualities, and professions. For more info, go to www.creativityisthecure.org.