Most of us grew up believing that if you work hard, keep your head down, and deliver results, success will follow. But my guest today argues that’s one of the biggest myths in business. Professor Jeffrey Pfeffer, from Stanford Graduate School of Business, has spent decades studying power and leadership — and his research shows that visibility, influence, and networks matter far more than raw performance.

In this conversation, we dive into the real rules of power: why Asian Americans in particular often hit the bamboo ceiling, and what it actually takes to rise and lead effectively. Jeff and I talk about why waiting for permission is a trap, why imposter syndrome is just another excuse, and how power can be used not only to advance yourself but to do good for others.

This is a candid look at the game behind the game — with stories from Jeff’s decades of teaching and research, and personal reflections on how Asian Americans can claim more influence in business and society.