In this episode, I sat down with multidisciplinary artist, animator, and game designer Jenna Caravello! In this incredible conversation, we discussed everything from the grey area between video games and the fine art world to the ethics of using other people's tools to create your own work and so much more. With her performance piece, 'lovelike' coming up this Friday (08/18) in Los Angeles, listen to find out what magic you can expect to see if you attend! Find more of Jenna's work on Instagram as @jennafruit.

Recorded & Edited by Lije Morgan

Theme music by Point.Reyes

Background music by Zack Dresher