For the latest Scots Whay Hae! Podcast Ali spoke to Jenna Gordon, who is the editorial director for Verve Books, to talk about all things independent publishing, and much more.

Jenna talks all about Verve Books, how it started, and how it's going, including what we can look forward to in terms of publications coming in the new year. She also breaks down her role of editorial director, and explains that with a small publisher it entails the wearing of many different hats.

The two also discuss publishing in Scotland, the resurrection of indie bookshops and the importance of working with them, book events, and Jenna's surprising inspiration for getting into publishing. She also offers practical advice about how to get involved yourself, as well as tips for writers on how to get published.

It's an honest, open, and informative conversation about how the world in independent publishing works today, although it moves so quickly this might have been a very different conversation if it was 12 months from now. One for book lovers and writers alike.

Full details, including all the ways to listen, are over at scotswhayhae.com