No, but really, what do you do as an Executive Presence Coach and founder of your own business? Joanna Lovering combined her years of leadership and executive training experience with a passion for style and presentation skills to create her own consulting business. She champions women, and helps them gain the confidence to advocate for themselves, no matter their audience.

In our conversation about her work, she shares how she began her company Copper + Rise then found herself pivoting in response to the pandemic; how she juggles doing the thing she loves (i.e., coaching) with marketing & selling the thing as a solo entrepreneur; celebrating big and small wins with her clients; advice for testing the waters and building a "learning lab" for yourself if you're interested in starting your own business; and so much more.

Find more about Joanna and her company at www.copperandrise.com.

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