
Joe Magarac: The Other Man of Steel
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Joe Magarac is a folk hero that allegedly was born from the stories of immigrant steelworkers in the early 20th century. He is the Paul Bunyan of Steel Country. But is the legend of Joe Magarac an American immigrant folk story or is he the product of the imagination of writers and the steel executives?
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Hey Dylan.
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Hi.
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How's it going?
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Hi Alexa.
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I had a question for you.
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Are you a superhero person?
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Do you keep up with Marvel and DC universes?
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You know, I think I probably suffer a little bit from the same fatigue that most people have at this point, but the honest truth is like, yeah, like as a kid,
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I collected superhero cards.
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I still have my binder of superhero trading cards.
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And I still look at them with my nine-year-old son on a relatively regular basis.
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So, yeah, I guess I am kind of a superhero person.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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Do you have a favorite?
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When I was a kid, I was really into Gambit because he's an ex-man, and he came out while I was like a kid collecting comics.
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So I was like, oh, this is like the new Wolverine.
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I like saved up like 30 bucks, and I went and bought a first appearance of Gambit comic, which is today worth almost certainly less than 30 dollars.
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So you are.
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You're not a casual superhero person.
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And so then as you know, there's a ton of characters in those universes.
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Yes.
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And some of them were inspired by real things in real life.
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And I bring this up because there's this very specific bad guy in one of these issues from 1977, and the issue is called Captain Marvel Fights the Man of Steel.
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Uh-huh.
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And not so not Superman.
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Not Superman.
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No, this is an alternative Superman because Captain Marvel, he's in Pittsburgh, of course.
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Naturally, where you spend your time with a superhero.
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Right.
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He's there because his arch nemesis is hiding out in the city.
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And apparently he's stealing comic books.
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And he read about Superman.
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He decides to build this gigantic steel man's battle Captain Marvel.
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And he breaks into one of the steel factories there.
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He dumps this robotic brain into molten steel.
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And out of that comes this giant robotic agent of chaos called Joe Magarek.
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I love that there's just like there's a brain going in molten metal and then just like some guy with a normal name comes out of it.
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Okay.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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So a very specific name.
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Joe Magarek, he gets out of this bat of steel and he starts destroying the steel mill and fighting with Captain Marvel.
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And Joe Magarek's mission is to destroy all the steel mills in the area.
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Right.
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And there's all these epic battles in the sky.
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There's an entire army of robotic evil animals.
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It's a lot of good comic book stuff.
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Right.
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And the entire issue is all about saving Pittsburgh and the steel mills from this robotic Joe Magarek.
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This is like a highly place and industry specific battle happening here.
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It's like, you know, it's Pittsburgh.
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It's the steel industry.
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What is this based on?
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Is this a real was there a real Joe Magarek?
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Yes.
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Sort of Joe Magarek.
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He was a full-carrow of steel country.
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So the legend of Joe Magarek supposedly came from immigrant steel workers in Pennsylvania back in the early part of the 20th century.
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So he's just the super human steel worker figure.
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He's the Paul Bunyan of steel.
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Like Paul, but I'm from Minnesota.
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My wife's from Maine.
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We actually both come from like Paul Bunyan country because there's like big logging industries in both of these places.
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I didn't realize that there was like a like a Paul Bunyan of steel workers.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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And like any superhero, he has really complicated origin story.
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There's like a question about who actually came up with the legend of Joe Magarek.
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Okay, we're I'm so excited about this Alexa.
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We were about we're going to find out the backstory of the other man of steel.
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Joe Magarek.
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Right.
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I'm Dylan Thores.
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And I'm Alexa Lim.
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And this is Atlas Obscura, a celebration of the world's strange, incredible, and wondrous places.
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And today we're going to hear the tall tales of Joe Magarek.
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And find out was he a piece of hometown hero folklore?
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Or was he actually some sort of hollywood like fake lore creation?
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We will find out the answer to that question.
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So I want to show you a picture of Joe Magarek just to give you a sense of who or what this guy is.
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There's a statue of Joe that sits at the entrance of the steel mill that's a few miles outside of Pittsburgh.
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So maybe you can describe what you're seeing.
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Well, he looks like a steel worker.
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He's like a dude in work pants like car hearts or something.
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A belt.
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A lavishly unbuttoned shirt.
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He's down to like he's like four buttons down.
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And then sleeves rolled up bending a piece of steel.
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He looks like he could be maybe obviously a steel worker, maybe a dock worker.
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He's like a tough guy.
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Joe Magarek.
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It's got a good good look to it.
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Right.
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You could definitely see this guy like in a bar.
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He's like a pretty normal looking guy to be fighting Captain Marvel.
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And he's wearing this little medallion around his neck and the initials say USS which stand for United States steel.
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And the thing that stuck out to me is the color of Joe.
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If you'll notice he's kind of this like silvery color.
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And he actually matches that metal rainbow he's bending over his head.
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But right, he's the state he's like looks like he's made out of steel.
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And that's because he is made out of steel according to the legend.
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I've never heard of Joe Magarek before in my life.
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I'm really loving finding out.
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I kind of secretly hope that there's like a a Paul Bunyan for every industry now.
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But where did Joe Magarek come from?
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Is he a creation of the steel industry?
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Like it kind of it's a little suspicious how how pro steel this guy is.
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Well, you know, like I said, he has a complicated backstory.
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But according to the legend of Joe Magarek, he was born in this ore mountain back in the quote unquote old country.
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What old country that is is not completely clear.
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You know, you know, the old country.
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But you know, back in the early part of the 20th century, there were a couple of different immigrant groups who were really the backbone of the steel industry.
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So Joe could either be Hungarian, Serbian, Croatian, Slovakian.
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Those were all the people who were working there.
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He's probably actually a mashup of all of them.
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He's supposedly had an accent and spoken broken English.
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And Joe, he was super human.
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He worked in the steel mill.
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He could dip his hands in vats of hot steel and roll them up into cannonballs.
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Like a kid would roll snowballs.
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That's what they described him as.
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And he'd like squeeze molten steel into rails with his bare hands.
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And he worked 24 hours a day and could do the work of 29 men.
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And he would say things like all I know is how to work and eat like a donkey.
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Magarek, by the way, actually means donkey in correlation.
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Okay.
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So yeah, this is sort of a weird idealized, super powered, super human version of an immigrant steel worker from the early 20th century,
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right?
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And this is just that taken to a very like kind of absurdist Paul Bunyan like level, I guess.
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Yeah, it's a tall tale of what a steel work a super tall tale of what a steel worker was, right?
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But not only was he a super worker, he also had a heart of gold, of course, of course.
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He tries to help everyone at the mill.
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He like stops runaway carts, things like that.
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And one of my favorite Joe tall tales was that the boss wanted to marry off his daughter.
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And he only went to marry her off to the strongest man in all of steel country, right?
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So obviously.
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Obviously.
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So he puts together this weightlifting competition.
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They're just going to like, you know, deadlift steel bars, I guess, to see who is the strongest guy.
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Guys come from all over the state.
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They're lifting these hundred pounds of steel bars to see who is the strongest.
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And they're down to the final three guys.
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And they're at his dance still.
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And then Joe comes in.
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He's like, steel bar.
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Yeah, that's my thing.
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So he immediately lifts the heaviest bar along with his co-workers.
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So the boss is like, okay, great.
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Here is my daughter.
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You can marry her because you have proved you're the strongest man.
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And Joe box.
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He was like, oh no, I'm just here to lift weights.
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I don't want to marry your daughter one because he kind of knew one of the competitors had a thing for the daughter.
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But mostly because Joe says that all he wants to do is work.
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So he couldn't possibly have a wife.
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Yeah, I mean, heart of gold.
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And just just a worker who wants to work Alexa, an untiring superhuman worker who just wants nothing but to dip their hands in molten vats of steel.
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Baby, this is Joe Magarrach.
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The question just immediately becomes like, was this something that has real roots in immigrant steel workers?
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The way that like, I mean, Paul Bunyan is like a real kind of folk tale that evolves in interesting ways.
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I think about John Henry, the tale of John Henry is a kind of an interesting analog.
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Do this come to some real or was it more like United States steel was like, hey, where does it come from?
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Well, that's where the story gets a little complicated.
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Who came up with a joke is up for debate because the first time that the story of Joe Magarrach appears in print is in 1931.
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And it's in Scribner's magazine, which, you know, was a popular magazine.
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And the author of the first story is this future Hollywood screenwriter named Owen Francis.
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This is not who I was expecting to have made this story.
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Hollywood screenwriter of my suspects.
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I did not have a Hollywood screenwriter in the lineup.
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After the break, we learn about who this mysterious writer was and how over the years, everyone from folks singers to comic book writers to the top executives at steel mills molded the legend of Joe,
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He was born in Pennsylvania and he did work in the steel mills.
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But he eventually left the mill because he was a struggling writer.
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He went on to write a script called criminals in the air.
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It was actually Rita Hayworth's first movie.
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But before he became like a successful screenwriter, he was struggling and trying to make it.
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So he started writing down these stories that he allegedly heard from his immigrant steel mill co-workers.
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And they were these folktales about Joe Magorak.
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And Owen says that his co-workers told him these stories while they were working in the factory and over dinner at their house.
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Riders, infamously unreliable narrators.
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All writers are like, uh-huh.
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But like, you know, do we know at all whether that's true?
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Do we have any sense of whether there were folktales or did he just kind of like fabricate this out of thin air?
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I mean, it's a little unclear.
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It's possible that he just made up these stories.
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But it's also possible that his co-workers really did tell him these stories.
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But they may have been kind of pulling his leg.
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Maybe they called him Magorak because he was the jackass.
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I like this version of the story where he's actually being made fun of.
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But it's maybe unaware that that's what's going on.
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Right.
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And you know, it's still unclear, but maybe they were playing up stereotypes of what these immigrant workers were like.
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And the conditions and the mills, they weren't great.
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So maybe it was also satire of working.
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But Owen, he may have taken it for face value and just wrote them down.
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And of course, probably translated it himself and may have lost something in that translation.
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We still don't know.
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But people have been trying to figure this out for a while.
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And, you know, true folklore is usually made up by a group of people in its oral stories.
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So it's not really one person who originates the story.
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And usually the hero is fighting for the people, the workers.
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They usually try to outsmart the boss.
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They're kind of like a trickster.
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But, you know, Joe, all he can think about is how much work he can do.
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So some folklore experts have kind of seen Joe as anti-worker.
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And real life workers protested these conditions.
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They put on these huge strikes.
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But that is conveniently missing from Joe's story.
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And one researcher actually went around asking actual workers if they had heard of Joe Maggerack.
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And most of them said no.
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So Joe has been labeled a piece of fake lore, which is a story that's modeled after real folklore has elements of it.
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But it's kind of a fabrication.
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But it doesn't emerge naturally from kind of like folklore storytelling.
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It's more like yeah, someone else just sort of creates it.
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Yeah.
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But I can't help but notice there is a giant 10 foot tall statue of Joe Maggerack in Pennsylvania.
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And he's in this comic from the 70s.
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Like how did this maybe this creation of this Hollywood screenwriter, how did the legend actually then become popularized?
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Well, you know, we all have a good story and a good superhero story.
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So it was kind of that.
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And Owen was writing in this popular magazine.
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So other people read it.
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And I think he kind of caught on and people didn't really question where it came from.
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Superhuman throwing molten steel cannonballs.
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I'd watch that movie.
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And later on in the 60s, there was a folk music group who actually wrote a song about him.
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And then like that comic book we had talked about, he got picked up by the comic books.
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But there's one other group who love Joe Maggerack as well, which I think you cut on too, which the owners of the steel companies love Joe's story.
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So owned Francis, he actually wrote a story about how Joe dies, right?
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And he's the steel making machine.
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And he actually ends up making so much steel that the mill has to shut down for few days.
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And the bosses are like, okay, send everybody home.
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And Joe is livid.
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He's like, what?
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That's all I do.
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I make steel.
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And everybody's looking for Joe.
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They can't find him.
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And he's actually jumped into the furnace.
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And he is like pounding.
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And he melts himself down because he wants to continue to work.
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And what?
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Yeah.
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So Joe dies by melting himself into molten steel.
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And the workers come back and they make the fight and steal out of Joe Maggerack.
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Joe Maggerack literally worked himself to death.
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This is the most insane like industrial propaganda.
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I don't know what Owen Francis was like, this is just a wild story of this like a steel worker so dedicated to steel.
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He melts himself down.
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Yeah.
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Of course, the companies love him.
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He never once a day off.
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He gives up marriage because he is in love with work.
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He works himself to death.
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So in the 1950s, US steel, which was the big steel company, they grabbed up Joe for their own purposes.
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They actually put out their own comic books called Joe, the Genie of Steel, where he taught about the history of steel making and extolls the magic of the industry.
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So he kind of like transformed into something else.
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Totally.
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Right.
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It seems like there's in a way there's sort of some different versions of this.
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Like there's Joe who in some ways is just like an idealized folk hero version of a steel working immigrant in the 19th century.
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Then you end up with this kind of mouthpiece of the steel industry.
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Later on, you get this kind of, it sounds like there's even a kind of 60s folk version.
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People can kind of find different stuff in this story, I guess.
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Right.
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They kind of read what they want to read into Joe, what they want to see.
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And I think Owen Francis probably did that at the beginning.
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He's like, oh, here's this ideal American immigrant story, but I don't know.
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Was it?
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It was kind of his story.
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So Joe kind of gets molded into whatever people want him to be.
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Just like steel itself moldable into whatever form you need it.
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I hate to break it to you though, but Paul Bunyan is also fake or no.
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Yeah, that's what I've read.
00:20:40
Are you serious?
00:20:41
Are you telling me Paul Bunyan is not a product of the fine timber working peoples of Minnesota and Maine?
00:20:49
I don't think so because the people of Categorized him in the same vein as Pecos Bill, you know, the cowboy guy.
00:20:56
Yeah, another great folklore hero.
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These, I have children's books about both of these famous characters Alexa.
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I don't like what you're telling.
00:21:05
I'm sorry.
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I've killed all of your heroes.
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My childhood industrial heroes.
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You know, and Paul Bunyan was connected to an industry.
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So also makes you think it.
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I guess that's true.
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Yeah, I know shattered dreams in every which way.
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I will say most people have heard of Paul Bunyan.
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I think most people have not heard of Joe Magarach.
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Do people in like steel country still even know who he is?
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Do they feel a certain way about Joe Magarach like today?
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Joe Magarach is still oh, oh, go legend.
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There's that giant statue.
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I have come across all these like gallery shows about him.
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There's murals about him.
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And you know, the steel industry peaked in 1969 and after that, there was a huge decline in the kind of wiped out the area.
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So I think Joe Magarach has become like the symbol of that history.
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And there's a pride about that in steel industry.
00:22:05
And I didn't realize that there were all these immigrant groups that who were behind the steel industry as well.
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So I think it's kind of like a symbol of that.
00:22:14
Yeah, I wonder like, you know, so maybe Joe Magarach and Paul Bunyan and Pico Spill are all fake lore.
00:22:21
But can you like reclaim the legend?
00:22:24
You know what I mean?
00:22:25
Like, what if you want to take the legend back and be like, we're going to put a pro worker spin on this.
00:22:29
We're going to put a like, you know, we're going to recast this figure.
00:22:33
I don't know.
00:22:33
I kind of like, I like this Joe Magarach character.
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And I sort of feel like he deserves a new chapter in his story.
00:22:41
Right.
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A rebirth.
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And yeah, exactly.
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And that's what people say.
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That's like how legends and focal are actually come about.
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It's not like, here's the story.
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It kind of evolves when people interact with it.
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All right.
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Every aspiring writer out there, you two can be Owen Francis.
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Write the next chapter of Joe Magarach story to make a Joe Magarach who's like fighting for the future of a of a healthy worker,
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positive labor powered steel industry.
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I'm going to write the Silicon Valley Joe Magarach.
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No, no, no.
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What would it is?
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It would be like, save your course or something like that.
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Like, I am the purest Silicon.
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I flow only into the finest chips for your, yeah, that's actually kind of a fun idea.
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All right.
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I love this.
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I want, yeah, more, more weird industrial heroes, please.
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I'm ready for it.
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Well, thanks a lot.
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So this has been such a what a fun conversation.
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Yeah, great.
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