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Joele Frank and Anne Chapman: Strategic Communications, Activism, and Governance

Joele Frank and Anne Chapman: Strategic Communications, Activism, and Governance

Update: 2025-10-27
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(0:00 ) Intro to this episode

(1:34 ) About the podcast sponsor: The American College of Governance Counsel.

(2:21 ) Start of interview

(3:19 ) Joele Frank's origin story

(5:02 ) Anne Chapman's origin story

(8:41 ) The history and focus of the firm Joelle Frank (now has ~250 people, with offices in NYC and SF).

(12:46 ) Shareholder activism in today's market

(15:52 ) The Exxon Mobil activism case [see E28 with Aiesha Mastagni from CalSTRS, starting at 23:27 ]

(18:17 ) Say-on-Pay and Executive Compensation Dynamics "compensation is a real emotional topic"

(21:27 ) On mega grants.

(23:17 ) The evolution of M&A in shareholder activism

(25:44 ) Geopolitical Tensions in the Boardroom. Examples: US Steel (Golden share by US), MP Materials (10% equity stake).

(28:38 ) Evolution of ESG/DEI, including boardroom diversity.

(33:00 ) AI, PBCs, and Governance Challenges. Is it a bubble? Concern about ethical AI.

(38:35 ) Case Study: Norfolk's Proxy Fight. Digital component to increase retail component of the vote.

(44:14 ) How activists are proposing more qualified directors to boards (focus on individual directors post universal proxy rules).

(48:50 ) The Changing Landscape of Board Composition

(49:55 ) The Importance of Board Evaluations

(51:45 ) On the "stay private or go public" debate

Joele Frank is the founder and Managing Partner of Joele Frank. Anne Chapman is a Managing Director at Joele Frank.


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Joele Frank and Anne Chapman: Strategic Communications, Activism, and Governance

Joele Frank and Anne Chapman: Strategic Communications, Activism, and Governance

Joele Frank, Anne Chapman, Evan Epstein