Kate Bowler, renowned author and professor, joins Rainn Wilson to explore the complexities of American Christian traditions and the nature of suffering. Bowler delves into her personal journey with stage four cancer, her struggles with the American healthcare system, offering profound insights into faith, resilience, and the misconceptions of positive thinking. Together, they discuss the dichotomy of American religious practices and the deep, often unspoken struggles that accompany a life of faith. Tune in for a heartfelt conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and authenticity.

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Produced by: Kartik Chainani

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