I wish it hadn’t taken me so long to find the time to edit this podcast, because this interview with Jen Ellis (@infosecjen) is pretty good, no thanks to me.  Jen Ellis had given a talk earlier in the week and Chris John Riley and I finally managed to track her down to the press room at Defcon.  We talk about what the legal system in the US means to researchers and hackers, how the system is flawed and what steps we should be taking to influence future legal measures. Jen also gives Chris and I a little background into the Wassenaar Arrangement and what it could mean to researchers internationally.