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It's the LVK: More Than Moto show where Start Your Systems' Kellen Brauer and Vital MX's Lewis Phillips debate current SX/MX/MXGP topics as well as general life itself. In Episode 44, the boys talk about a great first three rounds, Julien Beaumer and Haiden Deegan laughing in the press conference, the Lawrence agent situation, Eli Tomac's Kawasaki days, Justin Cooper, Jorge Prado, and more. It's all brought to you by Namura, Race Tech, and Partzilla.
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I'll put my next network production.
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[MUSIC]
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>> Bringing you a cheeky Brit and an American YouTube racing sensation, weekly.
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It's the LVK More Than Motopodcast with your hosts, Lewis Phillips, and Kellen Broward.
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[MUSIC]
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>> Welcome back everybody to the LVK More Than Motopodcast.
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I am Kellen Broward, joined by Lewis Phillips.
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We are three rounds in a monster energy supercross.
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There's a big news week last week.
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We'll go over some of that here today on the show.
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But man, what a wild ride we have had through three rounds.
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I mean, obviously, there's so much fun stuff going on in both classes to talk about.
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We have three different winners in both classes as well.
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So I don't think it could get any better Lewis, but I don't know how you feeling about it all so far.
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>> Well, I think it's interesting because the third round is always meant to be the craziest.
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That theory, which I believe originated at Weij has kind of become industry standard.
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But in a way, I feel like this time around, the third round had the opposite effect.
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And has corrected course and put us back to the narrative that we all expected preseason.
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So I'm hoping this isn't a trend and this weekend, due to and a different 450 rider win.
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Just to put us back into the land of uncertainty.
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Because if Jett and Degen were to win again this weekend, especially if either one were to sweep the triple crown, then the energy starts to die down quite drastically.
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So watch this space.
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>> But maybe a triple crown coming at the right time could even kind of like keep throwing a wrench in it a little bit.
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Or keep it close to because then if you have like a wild random result in main three, someone doesn't lose a ton of points.
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>> Well, let's be honest as well.
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A triple crown in Arizona, this is built for Tomac.
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If Tomac were to get worked in a triple crown at Glendale, in Glendale, then I would be shocked, to be honest.
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So I want to quickly, before we dive into our topics, why don't we lead off this week with our disappointments and surprises last week, and then we'll end the show with our disappointments and surprises for Glendale.
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Do you remember one of yours work?
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Because I remember one of them.
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>> I actually have no one memory.
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I was actually going to message you and say, I hope you vote them down, because I didn't.
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>> I don't remember yours to be honest.
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Actually, kind of, because I think you said Prado would have a bad night because of the two whoops and then he doesn't.
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>> No, I think I know I said Prado would have his best result ever.
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>> Oh, so not good.
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>> That's right.
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>> That's just come back to me.
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So that's also a zero for me.
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>> And wasn't something about jet, not on the podium?
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>> Yes, it was, jet, not on the podium.
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So I am yet to score a point in this game.
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>> Well, honestly, I was on my way to having the, and also opposite effect, if that's what you want to call it.
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Because mine were Jordan Smith, doesn't finish top five, and Justin Cooper does finish top five.
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And in the 250 main event, it looked to be the opposite of that.
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Jordan was going to get another podium.
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And before the 450 main started, well, Justin Cooper didn't look very good most of the night.
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So somehow turned it around, what Jordan got fourth, right?
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So I was wrong there, but then Jakub gets sick.
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So I was still wrong, but somehow close.
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I don't know, there's all over the place.
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>> Well, there's zero points for you as well.
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>> Yes, zero points across the board.
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>> But you got two in San Diego, so you're still tuning well.
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>> Yeah, this feels like a football match, as you would say, in the UK.
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There's a low scoring game here.
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>> Well, let's just hope that your predictions get a little wilder.
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Because I feel like I'm shooting for the stars, and you are shooting very much within range.
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>> I don't feel like Jorge Prado, his best result ever, was like shooting for the stars.
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>> He would have had to get top six.
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>> Yeah, okay.
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>> I feel like that was bold on a track with two loops, and wasn't going to be a definite mudder.
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>> Yeah, all right, but let's get into the show.
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We'll talk about our disappointments and surprises coming up for Glendale at the end of the show.
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Big thanks, of course, to Nomura, Rastec, and Partzilla.
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We'll tell you guys more about them throughout the show.
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But my first topic is really just kind of an extension of what we'd let off the show with.
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And I'm going to try to not have a long-winded speech about this, because people say I contradict myself.
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Honestly, this is awesome.
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This 450 class is great.
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I don't feel like it's been given enough credit yet how close everybody is.
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Like, yes, Chase kind of walked away with Anaheim.
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The second round was amazing, and aside from Jeff passing Anderson, it wasn't like the third race was chaotic battles.
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But if you watch the timing screen throughout that main event to see how close the gaps were the entire main event, and then how fast it went from Jet Cross in the finish line to Tomac finishing in six this week.
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Like, it was so quick how close everyone still is together.
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So I think this is a great championship, regardless of the dynamic of Jet maybe getting better and all that stuff like that.
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Okay, yes, but I must admit that after Anaheim won, I was just on top of the world.
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After San Diego, I was just on top of the world.
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I'm certainly less so this week because of what I said, because a Jet and Deegan win is the most predictable, and I think as I've stated many times, no matter the championship, no matter the rider,
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I always cheer against predictability, I just want a little bit of intrigue.
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So I'm certainly more so in the position this week, where I'm like, hmm, is this the star of something?
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So I'm less, I mean, and I was again, I was on top of the world last week.
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So because I'm less is only slightly less, but I'm certainly more, more, what would you say curious at this point in the season?
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But, you know, remove your, your ecstasy from last week and just think about preseason.
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Yes, preseason Lewis, a one hasn't started yet.
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And someone walks up to you, I walk up to you and I say, hey man, Jet, Eli, Sexton, they're all going to win the first three rounds, and Ken Roxon's going to lead the points.
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I feel like everyone would be like, oh, sign me up, like I can I throw like $4,000 at this, please, this is going to be great.
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Fair, fair, but also, and I was into the Ken Roxon red plate last week.
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But because it was so close last week, I feel like it's less shocking now because it was so close that I was almost prepared for it.
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Okay, whereas if it happened after San Diego, I would have been more like, oh my, so I'm not, I feel like I'm sounding very negative.
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I'm not being negative about I am genuinely excited, and I believe this is great.
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But whereas you are only looking in the past, I think I'm looking in the future, put it this way, we are both in a car.
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You are looking out of the back window at the sunshine and rainbows, like, wow, I'm driving looking forward, and I'm like, oh boy, there's a potential rain ahead.
00:07:24
Okay, okay, I get where you're coming from, for sure, but I feel like again, Sexton was what, sick this week, right?
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So he didn't, he wasn't very comfortable coming in Tuesday night, Friday morning.
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Yeah, we saw how much that negatively impacted Jason Anderson last week.
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It didn't necessarily do as much damage to Cooper Webb, but still it does seem that the illnesses are detracting a little bit from what Chase could have done, especially late in that main event.
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You take the sickness out of that, you give Eli Tomica good start, which seems like a flip of a coin at some points now.
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But they're not that far off of jet in his current status, in my opinion, so if they start with him or in front of him, we're in for a great fight.
00:08:07
And on top of that, it seems like when Anderson or Roxon or Justin Cooper or any of these other guys get up front, they want it, you know, like there's not like this,
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well, what was me jet and Eli and everyone's going to walk through me kind of demeanor from some of those guys yet.
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And I think that that will remain for the next at least like month or so, and I like that because if we get those guys out front again, we're having we're having more fun.
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Yes, agreed and realistically triple crown coming up.
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We know how good Roxon is in Arizona and the triple crown format.
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We know how good Anderson can be like, if you tell me that Anderson, Roxon and Tomica, your winners on Saturday night, that's completely believable and also great for the narrative.
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So sign me up for that.
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Just please don't sign me up for a jet sweep of every made of it.
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Okay, I won't do that.
00:09:03
We won't you respect can just on the topic of glendale real quick in the past glendales had massively long starts like insane,
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longer start of the season type of starts this week.
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We don't have that.
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It's going in football terms, you know, within the end zone to the end zone.
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It's a very short start to a tight you turn.
00:09:28
Does that impact your own idea of like how this is going to go because in the past like Tomic could spin off the gate a little bit, but still drag everyone at glendale.
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But maybe can you because you've been getting good starts is going to be better with these shorter starts like does that change.
00:09:44
It makes me more excited.
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And also because I although glendale is a great venue with a great track.
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I do feel as though that very long start straight a round down the middle got a bit stale.
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So I'm excited to just go to glendale with a fresh outlook.
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We have very short start straight almost tucked away in a corner.
00:10:02
We have countless long rhythm sections, which is great.
00:10:06
Like it honestly honestly the glendale track map really excites me really, really excites me.
00:10:13
And that continues a positive trend with the tracks this year for stop.
00:10:17
So I'm excited yet hesitant of what we may be getting ourselves into.
00:10:23
But yes, you're right, rocks and having the red plates as you can having the red plate incredible and you know if I had to bet.
00:10:30
Actually, I don't know if I had to bet would rock since to have a red plate after glendale.
00:10:34
I'm certainly not against it.
00:10:37
Chase is obviously close enough where like he can just do it automatically by winning jet and Eli tiny bit further back.
00:10:45
That's definitely realistic chance that rocks and holds on to this for multiple weeks.
00:10:49
It's possible.
00:10:50
I mean, is you know, his current form looks great.
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And I will certainly eat crow because my opinion after qualifying it and I am one has proved to be massively wrong.
00:10:59
But I as I said in that show, I'm so happy to be proven wrong because if we have this version of Ken rocks and all year long would be great.
00:11:08
But even right now is fantastic because it's making such an interesting dynamic of this championship fight.
00:11:13
I will ask you this though.
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I feel like coming in you and I were in agreement and a lot of people were that it's the four sexton jet web to Mac more than likely are going to win all the races battle for the championship et cetera et cetera.
00:11:31
Are you like is rocks and now the clear fifth and is there a chance that more than five guys will win this year in your opinion.
00:11:41
Let me ask you this first is rocks and the clear fifth or is rocks and maybe the fourth well, he's in the group is what I mean like it's clear that he's in this group now and he will win a race.
00:11:57
Yes, is there more to it beyond that is Anderson going to win is hunter going to win.
00:12:05
I feel less confident about an Anderson win purely because and I'm one and I'm two was set up so brilliantly for him that I feel like if there was ever a time to capitalize it was one of those races.
00:12:16
Yeah, and I don't know how often those opportunities are going to come around so although I believe in Anderson as a rider this year and I genuinely believe he has the ability to win.
00:12:26
I'm kind of pessimistic because of the opportunities of slipped away so far so I'll still go for five winners I think I said for originally but no you add five now with Kenny.
00:12:39
Obviously whether Kenny stays in this for the long run is the golden question that we have asked multiple years.
00:12:46
No telling of that but I think web is equally fascinating debate he was honestly I spoke to him after the race and like hanging around waiting to do the interview he was seriously bummed.
00:13:01
Do I say destroy you know like so I'm curious and Glendale is typically not a good race for web we got in trouble with this last week with one very miss accurate fan I corrected him though.
00:13:15
Yes, but anyway, Glendale is typically not a good race for web so not a good little streak or not a good way to enter Glendale.
00:13:24
Yeah, I mean like you said though we theorized this and back to back whoops this week that definitely got gnarly and stayed peaky didn't help his case like I think that if one of them turned the jumpers maybe is nice a little bit different but real quick on Anderson before we move on.
00:13:37
He did say this week he only rode once for like three hours on Wednesday because he was still getting over the sickness he was still in bed through like midday Tuesday road once Wednesday then just hung out Thursday trying to recover and said that.
00:13:52
And it seemed to me it seemed obvious seven ish minutes to go he started getting tired and he kind of said like yeah I hit a wall so I agree with you that yes the opportunities have been there for him but give it another week and that seven minutes comes back I kind of feel like he's already shown that he can do it you know.
00:14:14
Yeah no agreed and Glendale will be a great opportunity for him but as we know Anderson is typically the strongest or his strongest in the west coast swing so yeah I'm fully on board or open to an Anderson win this weekend and then after that I'll be more in a wait and see phase but yeah he could win Glendale 100% sure I just feel like.
00:14:39
Glendale is the you know could be the anomaly here yeah you're you're definitely right and it'll be very interesting to see how these three races go in the triple crown big thanks of course to number the leading provider of engine components are not across ATV UTV and personal water crowd for over two decades.
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00:15:25
Second topic for me today is so we see the boomer digs semi take out war that happened this weekend there's obviously been some boomer talking on pulp that didn't say well with dig in and dig and saying juju's got all the pressure so they're kind of like sniping at each other a little bit with some low key.
00:15:45
You know I don't know blast be a words or something like that that's we want to call it and it's now spilled onto the track but what I thought was interesting this week is after all of that they sat next to each other in the press conference obviously boomer rolled up to dig in after the race and shook his hand and then in the press conference they like were yucking it up laughing saying we're having fun etc etc which could just be a front but I think it's interesting because in the days where we would not have these press conferences.
00:16:14
They would both go back to the rig and be fed a lot of like all that was dumb he was an idiot blah blah blah blah blah and the rivalry would build so I kind of wanted to ask you do you think it is still like real like they're going to go at each other again this week in Glendale if they're on the same such a track or is like these press conferences like kind of stoking the flames down a little bit even.
00:16:39
But I've never what a bizarre outlook I'm just asking because like they they were like laughing and having a great time together is this not common I feel like I feel like even if you I mean okay you don't see it fully on the broadcast or you don't have eyes on it all the time but if you look at the podium time and time again except for maybe Stuart and read time and time again.
00:17:06
Riders have had tough races tough battles tough championship battles and then spoken on the podium yes but like similar on the flip side.
00:17:19
Jet and Jason Anderson it's well known that there's history the Lawrence brothers and the Anderson camp don't seem to like each other really at all and it was brought up to them in the press conference like how are you guys how is that battle on the track.
00:17:35
And I feel like they both danced around it more so than what Julian and Deegan said like Julian and Deegan were like hours having fun like I took him wide he took me wide like it'll happen and and then they like Joe Bomero like complimented Deegan later on how ridiculous his fast lap was like it was such like a yuck up fest was jet and Anderson were very much like I'm going to keep it real we'll see what happens kind of thing.
00:17:58
So there's also didn't Anderson say that he told jet after the podium at the podium on the podium that he'll talk a lot of shit online but when it comes to racing he'll just he'll keep it real yeah but he said he'll keep it real which you can miss you can interpret that as him saying that yes I will be clean but I'll keep it real is if you run me wide I'm going to put you over the berm that's also keeping you real I would argue I would argue that actually.
00:18:25
If you want to really dissect it which I feel you do.
00:18:29
Bomero complimenting Deegan's fast lap is actually a better way to get in his head okay yeah so like some games and ship.
00:18:37
I don't think it was true but if you want to go down this path I think for that's a very good way.
00:18:42
Kill them with kindness.
00:18:44
Hey man you really doing well good job it's like almost establishes a hierarchy a pecking order.
00:18:50
Hey Kellan you're doing really good at your job well done and then you like hang on does he think like Lewis thinks Lewis thinks he's better than me Lewis like well wait what hold on.
00:18:58
Like he's talking to me like he's above me you know I don't think this I don't think this is what was happening or this was calculated but taking your topic of wanting to super dissect the press conference I'm saying you could look at that way.
00:19:11
I'm not saying that I want to super dissect the press conference but I am saying do you not believe that if they don't have to sit next to each other and like try to do.
00:19:19
And like try to be cordial that like they just go back to each other's camps and then.
00:19:26
Deegan's camp says that was you know he's an idiot forget about him blah blah blah blah and pomeras camp says like he's an idiot forget about him and then they just get more and more mad but the fact that they have to sit next to each other and like actually talk about it.
00:19:39
I think for sitting next to each other at a press conference they're not idiots they're going to be cordial and they're going to play the game and then you walk away and you go that guy's fucking idiot.
00:19:47
So how many times have how many times have we done that in life in conversations where you're talking to someone going hey man yeah good to see you and then you walk away and go fuck that guy.
00:19:56
I don't know man I like a lot of people so okay well I've done that many times.
00:20:00
I'm saying am I a dick.
00:20:03
So yeah I think you just you're putting a situation you make the best of it you're like it.
00:20:09
As I said I think you if you would micro analyze like the hang out of the podium the killing time at the podium there's a lot of that that goes on it's just more forward facing at the press conference but I don't believe the Deegan and.
00:20:20
Bomé hate each other I don't believe we're at that point yet because what's happened to even lead us to that point yes Deegan has made some snide remarks.
00:20:29
And yes Deegan claims to be unhappy at what the remarks are both made but it's not like even one has said anything so outlandish you'd be like I'm not talking to that man.
00:20:38
I don't like it it's been mellow enough where it's jab jab it's not like hunter saying.
00:20:44
In whatever that Instagram video was preseason that like whatever he said like about Jason I have nothing to say about him or yeah I don't you know or even Jason saying.
00:20:55
Jets sister right or brother or every said I guess I think jet was one said sister yeah that is definitely more hate you're right yeah that's more like pointed whereas.
00:21:05
Like it almost again if I'm okay so in your hypothetical land let's say the Bomé was super rattled by Deegan and was like I'm not even going to talk to him I'm not even going to look at him if I was in his corner I would be like no just.
00:21:18
It was normal like yeah Joe that you're unaffected that's that's for that's the effect here it would be counterproductive for both to sit at the press conference and sulk I'm not saying sulk but I again the jet versus Jason.
00:21:32
Dynamic that I saw was very much like I am going to say a somewhat nice thing but I am certainly not going to like.
00:21:41
I don't want to say blow the guy because that's not what boomer did either and you're right there is an element of the killing him with kindness oh no we're getting into the land of kennon contradicting himself and oh no.
00:21:53
Am I contradicting myself you said you said that boomer is killing him with kindness which is is right Deegan is not the one that went up to him and shook his hand after the race boomer sought him out and did it so.
00:22:04
Helen come on boomer went up to him because Deegan won the race and stopped first yeah I understand that but it wasn't like Deegan was like looking back like hey buddy come here let's let's hug it out he was you know doing this thing and get.
00:22:17
Really routine in this sport that the winner wins a race stop somewhere on the track to take in the moment and then everyone else just stops around and yes come on you can't.
00:22:27
Come on listen look it in in those events more often than not they realize someone else is coming and like react to that.
00:22:37
Deegan did not do that.
00:22:40
Anyway disregard this entirely because what I'm trying to say is so nothing that happened after the race stoke the flames you think they both went back to their camps and they're still like.
00:22:53
Fuck that guy he's an idiot.
00:22:58
I think it's that much of a rivalry I think it's getting there and I've got him if you're going to throw to the front wheels especially on lap one of the main event like juju did I think we're on.
00:23:08
I also take a issue with this semi take out battle that you said there in because I don't think it's that far either really yes I think it's semi.
00:23:18
It's aggressive battle of an area like if you watch the tape from the heat race yes deegan was aggressive and yes he went in there to make a statement.
00:23:26
But it was more the positioning of bow mayor in the berm for the reason why he crashed because he got on to like.
00:23:32
Yes but deegan did did with his rear tire push ball mirrors front tire to the top like to the top.
00:23:38
And I think he intended to little tap to be like yes I'm here.
00:23:43
But deegan wanted to put him down absolutely not I think juju was perfectly okay with deegan going down and turn to that main event.
00:23:52
No I think deegan was I think juju rightfully so was just like it's early in the main event my main rival is out front I need to get track position.
00:24:00
I'm going to I'm going to take advantage of the situation.
00:24:03
I'm doing history on in turn two of a main event has been like this is an optimal time to take someone out I think that in turn two of a main event when it's that chaotic you're just like I need track position however I'm going to get it.
00:24:16
I mean juju went from basically fourth place and snipe down the inside and went for his front tire.
00:24:21
My deegan is out front I'm semi desperate I need track position there's an opening here let me try and take track position.
00:24:36
I think juju is going into a corner thinking to himself not about the 20 other riders who are around him and the chaotic first lap and he's like I'm just going to take deegan out here I don't think he went like I'm going to take him out but I think he's like I'm going to go make this very good.
00:25:04
I think he's like I'm going to go make this very aggressive pass and if he goes down great like take I think he went in there when I need track position I need to take track position there's an opening here let me try and take track position I don't know if this will work.
00:25:17
I think deegan stays up there because honestly because he's Hayden Deegan I think like 90% of those people go down with that contact like he was off the side of the bike both feet barely hanging on and then still scrub the supercross triple.
00:25:31
Anyway point being I do think that this continues I think it may be you know like I said those postrace press conferences did seem to have like a weird effect to their dynamic on the night so but either way I think it's very interesting.
00:25:50
Okay you want to veto it I almost feat today at a start and to be honest Kevin for your well being like wish I had you always try to find a way to like make my points not sound good but that's okay Lewis that's okay no no no no hey Lewis.
00:26:08
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00:26:36
I was even making the joke I was trying to tell you did you know that he's on Chris blows tuned race text suspension.
00:26:41
That's not a joke that is that is factful and now I do know that Kevin thanks for informing me.
00:26:46
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00:26:51
I did know that yeah you did I know I know you know that because you're just smart gentlemen so now you know I'm also because I think that may have been the read on every race tech podcast for like 10 years.
00:27:01
No, but their gold valves are a staple no question about it so you guys definitely check it out honestly just you know go to race tech and.
00:27:10
Look at all the stuff that they have to offer because like you should just you know send you suspension and have it fully rebuilt but even if you just need your oil chains like I mean honestly race tech offers a lot of stuff and they offer Preston masciangelo making the made event.
00:27:22
I don't think I'll ever say his name.
00:27:32
What do you what do you say.
00:27:32
Well now I've just heard it so now I will say it correctly question masciangelo but.
00:27:32
If you had called thrown it to me and said fill in the bank fill in the blank Preston X I think I would have said it wrong.
00:27:40
Well you guys are saying Michelangelo all night that's just because I don't know who that is so I wouldn't be able to make that joke.
00:27:46
I heard that I know I roughly know the name but I wouldn't be able to pick him out of a line up oh my gosh Lewis oh man okay well name it's an actor right but like I wouldn't you if you if no no it's not it's not an actor guys it's not.
00:28:00
Guys it's not an actor it's not I can't wait for you to google him after the show okay why is he some sort of criminal.
00:28:11
Okay let's get into our last topic that I have for you here today.
00:28:17
Oh that was funny.
00:28:19
Yes so last week breaking news big news Lucas Mertle and the Lawrence family.
00:28:27
Yeah there's some there's some stuff going on and you know the gist of it more or less is that they found some you know faulty stuff going on within their accounts.
00:28:36
It was linked to Mertle so Mertle then was fired by Lawrence brothers fired by Wasserman and then you broke the story so I just want you to kind of speak your piece on what you know so far about it because obviously you did the sleuthing work in great job with that.
00:28:51
But you know what's what's been going on from your point of view so far.
00:28:56
No so they reached out to Hunter specifically reached out to me late on late on Wednesday night and basically said hey I want you to do something for me.
00:29:10
And then filled me in on everything and I asked questions because you know I wanted to clarify feet like I didn't want to just run with it without knowing more myself.
00:29:19
And then the statement went out and two I want to I honestly want to give it all all involved on the Lawrence WMG side maximum credit because I would argue that never before in this sport has an entity being so transparent and forthcoming with news that is of a negative nature.
00:29:40
Any other time look because this if this situation of mismanagement if you want to call it between agent and rider is common in this sport and I think all sports but typically it's rumours in the back of the paddock typically there would have been a rumor about the split and we never would have known and it would have no one would have talked about it.
00:30:04
Think about I mean this isn't similar but similar in the way of like such a strong partnership ending and no one knowing why when Brooks left LMM 2011 was it.
00:30:16
Whatever year that was and as a fan at that point you too I remember just no one knowing why it was just like yeah he's gone on vacation.
00:30:24
He's just got it would have been very easy for the launches to play that game in this situation but credit of them like a real sport like a professional athlete like someone who is just doing things correctly.
00:30:38
They essentially silenced all rumours on the front end they got ahead of the story which I was talking to another rider this weekend about another story that we were trying to coordinate getting ahead of because of like I think this may have started a trend.
00:30:53
Yeah because this someone was saying to me that we can like I need to go to so and so and say.
00:30:58
I'm going to give Lewis a statement and Lewis is going to get ahead of us and I was like yes that's how professional sports work right.
00:31:05
So full credit to the lorances and WMG for bucking the trend.
00:31:10
And being so transparent and I'm not just saying that because they gave a statement to me I'm like no matter how that statement comes out I'm impressed the situation was handled in that way in this sport.
00:31:21
It is it is very nice to see that level of detail publicly put out the one thing I'll counter with with this that I'm curious about is if what we believe to be true about the amount of money that has been lost in this exchange behind the scenes which is a lot.
00:31:40
This is going to federal agents which means that this is also going to end up in the courts publicly at some level so do you not believe that was from in the lorances and all that stuff wanted to jump out in front of that so that the narrative doesn't get spun negatively against them once it goes to the courts.
00:31:59
Well okay yes naturally we are wondering where this goes next just to clarify you are speculating there because I don't know you don't know where this like I don't know for sure but if most of the time especially when it comes to account you know accounts being illegally you know deposited and stuff like that especially with high income athletes and stuff like that it goes to federal agents it just happened in major league baseball this year.
00:32:28
So yes but again just to be clear we do not know that's happening but of course it would make sense for the authorities to give I'm just saying that that's the natural next step.
00:32:38
I just want to clarify because just in case people were like OK let's heard no no I don't.
00:32:46
And I don't know because I was clarifying that I forgot what your end piece was just that you know it wouldn't if it does go to the courts.
00:32:54
They want the public perception for both the Lawrence family and was someone to be like they were transparent and upfront.
00:33:02
I think it's more so the fact of like again like a professional sport the worst thing for to happen was for this to be kept a secret but then you start to realize hey so and so hasn't been around much hey what's going.
00:33:13
And then you have to deal with the questions on race day you have to it kind of becomes awkward essentially what the lorances did which is correct as an athlete again correct all around is hey this is happening this is our piece you will have our words we're out.
00:33:30
Which is why I know naturally some fans are going to be questioning why on press day and post raised there wasn't a lot of comment about this it's because the lorances to their credit had already given their statement to the media again we can go back to the media debate in this sport but this is this is working with the media correctly this is how it works in other sports.
00:33:55
So why would they talk to x person on press day when hey we've set up is so and naturally they can't say more so just well done is all I've got say yeah and you know like you said you know it's back to chase sex and when being asked at anaheim hey is a ktm situation like really impacting you it's like no I just get paid to go race and that's their job you know like in this situation the lorances brothers have to go.
00:34:23
Win races battle for championships everything that's going on behind the scenes is now up to like washroom and all that stuff like that so if anybody should be answering questions it's Jacob Hayes and Travis Clark and all that stuff but like you said they have I don't think anyone should be answering questions because we know that's our thing like it's this is now not the lorances kind of deal anymore they saw what you know they said what they said done you know like you can't go to them and be like so what's happening next.
00:34:52
They're not going to be the ones are going like into court to deal with this again that speculation we don't know if that is actually what happens they will not be the one that is like covering your back.
00:35:05
I feel like you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say you know I'm just covering your back because I know that fans will listen listen go tell him just said that I'm saying it's going to court I'm saying you're misinterpreting not arguing with you I'm just looking out for you I'm not telling you that you said that I'm just looking out for you.
00:35:20
I'm trying to clarify what I was saying about the Lawrence brothers in that like this is not on them anymore yes it is on the agency it is on the agents that were involved et cetera et cetera if anyone has to answer questions publicly but they won't it's them.
00:35:37
Yes.
00:35:53
But then also WMG to their credit release the statement to so they've also said their peace and to be honest put both statements together I don't really know if at this point there are many unanswered questions.
00:35:53
Is the agents still around no statement makes that quite clear what is he still working with WMG no statement makes that quite clear but why the statement is quite clear you know like they really did do a good job of answering.
00:36:05
Leaving it sort of really they can say well what do you want me to answer we've told you everything which is I feel.
00:36:10
Again no they haven't left everything out there that should be out there because in baseball when this happened with show Hayotani and Epe this year was a translator where he was gambling a ton of show Hay's money.
00:36:22
It very very very quickly came out how much money was involved they have not said that so.
00:36:29
Okay let's just walk before we run this is motocross just a fact that we got a statement is groundbreaking sure but that's why that's why fans in general or like look we saw we see everything that's going on over there why have they not put out statements about that.
00:36:44
It's just remain let's keep the perspective of where we are this is the fact that we just got a statement groundbreaking sport this sport and I I take no issue I almost wouldn't expect them to mention.
00:37:00
Amounts in the statement because already I feel like they've gone above and beyond what is typical for this sport but I feel like at that point you're just like going to the moon of what is typical for this sport.
00:37:13
If this does follow the natural trajectory of every other sports agent issue in the past we will know the amount at some point it is not going to just disappear off the face of the earth so.
00:37:25
I don't know about that but yeah obviously not a good deal for anyone.
00:37:31
Naturally I think a lot of people are worried about Lucas mortal his friends with obviously a lot of people in a paddock including myself.
00:37:39
But not a good deal.
00:37:43
Obviously it sucks for the law of naturally this is a terrible terrible thing for them to be dealing with and they don't want to be dealing with this in month one of the 2025 season so not a good deal around.
00:37:57
Sucks as well because naturally we all know just how close Lucas was with the law and so that makes it that makes it even more pronounced even more noteworthy because maybe look maybe a lot of people.
00:38:11
Don't know that chase Xson is represented by beaks and if they do and if they do know that I don't think many people know how close that relationship is.
00:38:21
Whereas in the lawrence situation I think everyone knew who was representing the lawrences and everyone knew how close they were.
00:38:28
Which makes this which makes this bigger news but also makes it even clearer to everyone just how hard this must be for the lawrences.
00:38:36
Everyone's talked about the lawrences and murder and stuff like that and one thing that I feel like needs to be brought up just because it also affects them is there's a lot of other riders in the paddock that are now without their agent that will be pivoted within the washroom and group I assume.
00:38:53
I mean I don't know if you've got any clarification on where's the outgoing where's all these other guys going now but I heard something yesterday but I don't know if I don't know if I fully believe it.
00:39:05
I think that's up in the air I think that's up in I think that is up in the air but I think everyone can imagine what the options on the table are so yeah.
00:39:15
So very very crazy dynamic obviously it's a huge story and I know fans want to know more and you know as much as we can get out of these guys is what we'll be able to tell you guys but it's going to be pretty tight lip for a while I think so.
00:39:28
I've not dealt with a situation like that since the strike in front yeah and you're you're right in the middle of it again.
00:39:37
No I know I wasn't in the middle of it I was on the outside of it monkey with a recorder.
00:39:45
There was no recordings done in this process.
00:39:47
Well that's what you said in France I'm joking I'm joking okay.
00:39:51
Hey partzilla PRMX Kawasaki team this weekend Hunter Yoda another 10th place finish he was unbelievably sick.
00:39:58
I saw him at the PRMX tent and he just waved and walked away because I think he knew he did not want to get other people sick but Kate our guy Kate made the main event as well straight out of the heat race very nicely done to him.
00:40:10
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00:40:27
And I think Kate was the necessarily stoked with his main event ride well it's pretty stacked out there still I may or may not be in a group chat now Kellan which I don't want to dangle it in front of you.
00:40:39
So because you almost got me booted from the group chat me yes how did I almost get you booted because apparently you are very upset and soaking to go back to press conference me.
00:40:50
No and again I was not so thinking about the press conference I think Kate would only be a maybe disappointed in getting beat by Jerry well you know it's just out of riding doesn't it like sometimes you win a race and you're unhappy because you just don't like you had it.
00:41:04
19th of a good job Kate big air Kate although when I talked to him before the night show he said he's absolutely not going over the table like jet was and he was not too keen to do any of the other big big lines so.
00:41:16
Okay noted well I think there's going to be some big lines in Grendel this weekend so might be time to sack up yeah we need big air Kate back alright Lewis what you got from me this week buddy.
00:41:26
So I've had this since Wednesday last week.
00:41:29
Why do I have this well for some reason this came to me and what the birth of it was.
00:41:36
Since he left home at got on a Yamaha which admittedly admittedly is meant to be his twilight years when he signed for Yamaha in 2022 or for 2022 on a one year deal we all thought it was the beginning of the end.
00:41:48
Et cetera et cetera but I think categorically we can say that maybe not categorically but we can say that Yamaha Eli is the best Eli.
00:42:05
2023 he was the best he's been in supercross and as I said many times best does not necessarily mean fastest in my mind.
00:42:15
I will give it to you the Yamaha Eli.
00:42:19
In supercross has been the best yes outdoors I still think some of his cow years outdoors were we're barely seen with barely I think that's.
00:42:28
On the title on the Yamaha in 22.
00:42:30
Yeah but I mean.
00:42:31
Concert can compared to the supercross sample size.
00:42:35
There was a much to go off of there and 2022 was his first year on the Yamaha so he would presume he would have gotten better each year.
00:42:41
Anyway leading to the topic go ahead that's not the topic.
00:42:46
So let's not get ahead of ourselves the topic that I started to the cogs started to turn.
00:42:54
In hindsight and as this matures will we look back and say that Eli Tomax signing for Kawasaki actually was a bad move and actually.
00:43:07
And then back not held in back sounds weird but he would have been even better and fulfilled his potential even more had he not made that move.
00:43:15
And I think where I'm coming out from this is I personally feel like guy co Eli and Yamaha Eli were refreshing compared to the Kawasaki Eli which even down to just look I feel like I look at Eli on the Yamaha and have done since 2022 and he looks.
00:43:34
More aggressive more comfortable just better I look back now Eli on a Kawasaki and it looks awkward.
00:43:45
That's an interesting act like assumption.
00:43:51
Unless you talk to Eli there's absolutely no way in knowing of his own comfort level with college stuff like that but no honestly my initial reaction is no like he won so much at Kaui.
00:44:04
And I mean what he's third all time and Wednesday or second all time or something crazy like the only thing that really you have to knock at him with Kaui is that he didn't win more championships but he won so many races on a Kawasaki like I feel like that's not fair to say.
00:44:20
Not fair to say that he didn't fulfill his potential with that bike no now I need to dance I guess because in no way am I being negative on Eli here.
00:44:30
I'm more just looking at how amazing he is on the Yamaha and how comfortable.
00:44:35
I just feel he looks I don't feel like he ever looked that comfortable on a Kawasaki you could even say if you want to run data on this.
00:44:44
The weirdo Eli rides happened on Kaui and although there have been a couple on Yamaha they have in no way being close to what we saw on the Kaui and perhaps that is the data that backs up my statement of seeing him be more comfortable.
00:44:57
Yeah well I was you know say to this the credit of star and probably Geiko was in a similar vein to this Kaui is corporate like that is just like become the norm where we know what to expect about it.
00:45:09
We know what to think about with their PR situation they are by the button and I heard even more stuff recently that suggests that that is the case they think that they are Jesus themselves when it comes to setting up bikes and they don't like to listen to writer input very much.
00:45:24
So I think in that vein you might be correct that Yamaha has given him a much nicer window to get the bike in a spot he likes and that's why he's maybe more comfortable all the time.
00:45:36
Whereas with Kaui when he'd have his weirdo rides he says now in hindsight that it came down to he wasn't comfortable he didn't want to push six or eight or whatever was the best he could do that day or what he felt the most comfortable doing that day based on what the suspension was doing on the Kaui and stuff like that so.
00:45:54
Yes I guess maybe if he was on a Yamaha he would have still won all those races and then not had as many bad races.
00:46:02
As you should say this Yamaha because obviously in that period Yamaha right so let's let's say revision his history he stays a Honda he stays but goes to factory Honda because I think I think that Geiko was not necessarily wanting to have a factory level 450 bike out there are the whole time so he goes to factory Honda instead of rocks and how much different does it look.
00:46:29
See like it's hard for me to answer that because obviously you don't know but let me reframe this in a more positive way or should let I guess you would put it as you like Tomac did so well on the Kawasaki.
00:46:43
In hindsight now and looking at how happy and comfortable he is on Yamaha should we give him more credit for what he did in a situation that maybe now with the power of hindsight.
00:46:54
Was it as good as maybe we will fall of the time is that better to put it I don't know.
00:46:59
Yeah I mean it's just it's tough because again the only thing you pull away from his Kaui career is a ton of race wins and maybe championships left on the table like.
00:47:09
I'm certainly going against for grain with this opinion observation.
00:47:13
But I mean like it is a question to be had because yes the one knock on Tomac is not having like five supercross championships that he probably should have.
00:47:23
Yes he's been very close a lot of times and arguably been the fastest guy five or six years in that stretch and only one two titles so yeah like you have to I think in that vein you have to figure out.
00:47:38
The math of like if he's more comfortable on a bike that you know is in a better window for him does he win more those championships because he doesn't have a 15th randomly one week you know what I mean like that's the only way I think you really get an answer about this.
00:47:51
Yeah no and again obviously you would naturally say he wants so much on a Kaui blah blah blah but when you're talking of a ride like when you're talking about a rider like Eli jet chase the standard is so incredibly high that you're essentially talking about limitless wins being on the table.
00:48:11
Yeah but as I said it off the top I feel like as this materials maybe that will become more of a talking point maybe we're still too close to it can I just can I ask you real quick it you know like it let's say his career ends today.
00:48:28
I feel like I've looked back at stew's career and like for whatever reason his Yamaha years are like tough for me to like I see money Yamaha I'm like that kind of looks weird like Suzuki and Kaui James is like yeah that makes sense.
00:48:40
Yamaha even though you want to title on it is like that that looks a little weirder to me.
00:48:45
What do you look at as Tomac like if you went into the hall of fame.
00:48:50
Yeah I'm a heart of a hat.
00:48:51
Okay so the Kaui.
00:48:53
Not a Honda hat but like if you ask me to just picture Eli on a bike.
00:48:58
Yeah it's Yamaha Honda.
00:48:59
Interesting yeah okay agreed well I think for me I like because obviously Yamaha is more recent.
00:49:07
Yeah I do think Yamaha on Eli a little bit more now but I think Kaui is going to live in our minds longer.
00:49:15
Then we really realize because of yeah just some of the rides that he had on that bike and how much winning he did on that bike.
00:49:22
Do you not agree though that when you look now Eli on a Kawasaki he does not look he looks stiffer more rigid than he does.
00:49:31
Oh he has at any point on the Yamaha.
00:49:33
Yeah I mean like so his qualifying lap this weekend where he tipped over, slid out.
00:49:38
Yeah he was like loose.
00:49:40
Yeah I don't think that was never that's what I'm saying.
00:49:43
I don't think I ever saw that before.
00:49:44
No and even even even it is fastest on a Kawasaki he still looked very almost old school in how rigid he was.
00:49:51
Sure.
00:49:52
So I guess I think that as I said that's kind of where this idea came from.
00:49:57
Just I think I saw a photo of Eli on a Kawasaki and I was like he just doesn't look.
00:50:02
As comfortable as he has done on a Yamaha and maybe.
00:50:06
Maybe things would have been different if he had stayed a Honda or gone elsewhere.
00:50:09
Maybe it could have been even better which is hard again hard to.
00:50:12
Bathroom because he was so good on a Kawasaki.
00:50:15
Yeah.
00:50:16
But when you're again when you're dealing with a rider like this there's always more potentially.
00:50:19
Yeah.
00:50:20
I get you asking the tough questions.
00:50:22
Well now I feel like I've ruined my 2025 streak.
00:50:26
Yeah people are going to comment like how could you not remember this.
00:50:30
Because people are going to take that.
00:50:33
I didn't consider it.
00:50:35
What about WW 2017 Lewis he was so good there.
00:50:38
The second you rebuttal it I was like I'll know this is going to be taken as shitting on Eli.
00:50:42
But I think that I don't think how you can see how you take that as shitting on Eli.
00:50:45
If anything I'm giving you a lot.
00:50:47
Even like saying how incredible he is and how maybe he could have.
00:50:50
Had 14 Supercross wins instead of 10 in that season.
00:50:54
Yeah it's just ventracing like we could just as easily be like what if Roxanne never left KTM.
00:50:58
Does Dungie have as many titles.
00:51:00
Does Roxanne have two or three Supercross title?
00:51:02
Like who knows.
00:51:03
The people who should be pissed account.
00:51:05
Okay.
00:51:06
I don't copy.
00:51:07
Yeah.
00:51:08
Not Eli fans.
00:51:09
How long was that?
00:51:10
I feel like we went.
00:51:11
We went just like a two minutes over but we're finishing our topic.
00:51:14
So.
00:51:15
Okay well that's good because these will be shorter topics.
00:51:18
Was this.
00:51:20
Enough of a breakthrough for Justin Cooper.
00:51:23
Where it was it.
00:51:25
Of course we can't define it or the X factor but was this it.
00:51:35
No because I think that that ride was fully start dependent and if he starts.
00:51:42
12th in that race he finishes 12th to be honest.
00:51:45
Like I just you can't jump the whoops all night long like that in this field.
00:51:51
So I don't know that I would consider a breakthrough because while the result looks great and the first seven laps looked amazing.
00:51:58
Everything else on the day did not look great at all.
00:52:01
But to be positive.
00:52:04
He got out front.
00:52:06
He hung it out.
00:52:07
I don't know if anyone picks Justin Cooper to lead six laps uncontested like he looked the part out front.
00:52:15
It wasn't like oh my this guy's holding people up.
00:52:18
He looks for part you agree with that.
00:52:21
Yes.
00:52:22
Like there was a moment where I allowed myself to dream of a Jacob win which when Vince Freeze starts up front.
00:52:29
There's no moment where I'm like maybe.
00:52:32
Yeah.
00:52:33
So.
00:52:34
Is that it?
00:52:35
Is that the X factor?
00:52:36
We can work with that six laps this time.
00:52:38
Ten laps next time.
00:52:39
Is that it?
00:52:40
I don't know.
00:52:41
Well I think in terms of the X factor.
00:52:43
I don't know that anyone looks at Justin Cooper and goes like I was never going to get good.
00:52:47
Like I think people look at Justin Cooper and go.
00:52:50
Yeah.
00:52:51
But I feel like I still look at Justin Cooper and we talked about this a couple times on the show.
00:52:56
He's totally in that like Hunter Lawrence zone to me where like as soon as all these older gentlemen decided to retire.
00:53:04
Justin Cooper is going to be like a regular podium staple.
00:53:07
Yeah.
00:53:08
Suddenly.
00:53:09
So like I still think I'm there in like a couple of years.
00:53:12
But what I saw at Anaheim was like do that start was great.
00:53:17
But like why are we jumping the whoops?
00:53:18
Why are we doubling into the whoops?
00:53:20
You know, in the interest of of conveying all of the data.
00:53:25
The heat race was maybe the worst race from a factory rider I've ever seen in my life.
00:53:29
Yeah.
00:53:30
He started about it.
00:53:31
Like who else was he back there with?
00:53:32
Was it Malcolm?
00:53:33
AP was back there.
00:53:34
And someone else.
00:53:35
Well, that guy's blue past him.
00:53:36
That's what I'm saying.
00:53:37
AP and I think it was Malcolm went from like 17th to 5th and 4th.
00:53:41
And he could've went from like 13th to 11th in that he race.
00:53:45
It was terrible.
00:53:46
I like during the heat race I allowed myself to start speculating in my mind of like so where does his career go from here?
00:53:52
Because I was like this is this because as I said in my opinion the first two rounds were underwhelming for him.
00:54:00
So then add that heat race on top of it and I'm like yes.
00:54:05
So this is done then.
00:54:07
How do you do yourself out of this hole where his contract's up in 10 months?
00:54:12
Where does he go from it?
00:54:13
You know, like it was that bad.
00:54:14
Yeah.
00:54:15
To turn that around.
00:54:17
Came at a very brilliant time because he may be silenced.
00:54:21
Those the focus on his heat race.
00:54:26
Have an interesting thought with Jacob.
00:54:29
I want to know you thought.
00:54:30
Does he not like not not know how to pass, but is he not a good passer?
00:54:36
Where is it?
00:54:37
He's always been a great starter.
00:54:38
So is it a Prado effect where it's kind of what I mean.
00:54:41
It's so much that you.
00:54:43
That's kind of what I mean.
00:54:45
Like you know, we saw we saw what happened with him with Prado A1 where Prado blocked him for like two laps and Justin Cooper folded and went back to 8th.
00:54:54
But like that heat race to me when he's in traffic and trying to set up passes.
00:55:00
Not that I was like super dissecting what he was doing, but it didn't seem like he was particularly comfortable trying to figure it out.
00:55:05
You know what I mean?
00:55:08
Like is that part of the problem?
00:55:11
Yes, and I think yes, yes, but also contributing to that similar to Prado and also Jacob is all but admitted this.
00:55:20
I don't think he is quick to hang it out, flirt with the edge.
00:55:25
He very much stays within his comfort zone.
00:55:28
And obviously sometimes you need to flirt with the edge to make a move especially on someone who's as quick as you.
00:55:33
So I think there's also that that takes 50% of the blame as well as the fact that he maybe doesn't have that much experience coming through the field.
00:55:40
Yeah, okay.
00:55:41
Especially also does this not happen with every 250 guy where in 250's the field is weaker.
00:55:49
You start seven if you're in third in the blink of an eye and you're like this is great.
00:55:52
And then you get to 450's you start 11th and you're like I'm having the battle for my life to get 10th and this is an adjustment.
00:55:59
This is a transitional period for me to work with.
00:56:02
Yeah, I just even 250 class.
00:56:04
I was kind of having a tough time racking my brain on Jacob starting 10th and getting to the front.
00:56:08
Like I just don't really remember that.
00:56:10
Like he started up front all the time.
00:56:12
You know, I struggled to think of a time where he started 10th full stop.
00:56:16
Well, but that's what I mean is like I feel like there are you know in his championship run years trying to go with Hunter and some of those other guys.
00:56:23
I feel like he would start fifth and finish fifth or he would start first and finish first or second kind of thing.
00:56:29
So no, it's interesting.
00:56:32
I don't know that I classified as a breakthrough would be my answer.
00:56:35
I was okay, maybe not, but I would classify it as like he's turned it around.
00:56:43
I think he saw a lot of stuff up there that he absolutely was not going to see until he got that start.
00:56:53
You know, I mean, if you want to be critical factory rider, whole shots face to sick.
00:56:58
If you want to be critical, that's your like you shouldn't be doing that.
00:57:01
If you're a factory one.
00:57:02
So I get that also I get that side.
00:57:04
But again, wasn't a great start of a season terrible heat race.
00:57:09
So maybe that badness is leading me to be more positive about the goodness that we saw in the main event.
00:57:16
Yeah, well, it's something to hang his hat on at least like I think he was probably going to have one of his worst nights on a 450 otherwise.
00:57:22
Well, I was wondering if he would make the main event.
00:57:25
Well, I think these, the private tears are sick of seeing factory guys and they'll see you at this point.
00:57:32
So well, products outside of process has started of opening up spots in the main event.
00:57:38
Well, I'm in Prado out for a long time.
00:57:41
I don't know.
00:57:42
I don't think it's that serious, but I definitely don't think they rush back.
00:57:45
Yeah, okay, which leads me to my next topic.
00:57:49
Yeah, what does this mean for Jorge Prado?
00:57:55
I'll give you.
00:57:56
Okay, can I ask you because I was trying to rack my brain as well.
00:57:59
Has he had many shoulder dislocations?
00:58:01
No, never.
00:58:02
Never.
00:58:03
And it's out and in 10 seconds.
00:58:05
Well, this, this also crossed my mind.
00:58:09
Shoulder injuries used to be all the rage.
00:58:12
I feel like shoulder injuries in most home as a whole MXGP included have died down.
00:58:21
Kind of because I feel like I feel like 15 years ago in the 2000s.
00:58:26
If you had the injury data, 50% of the injuries were shoulder injuries is what I feel like.
00:58:31
And I feel like they're almost rare now.
00:58:34
Yeah, I don't know.
00:58:35
What was up?
00:58:36
People have learned how to crash and roll.
00:58:39
It's just coincidence, but it is just coincidence, but I feel like it's it.
00:58:43
People are going to be like, well, remember the year the Achilles, like that's probably, you know, 2008 is the year the shoulder in 2023 is the year the Achilles.
00:58:51
Yeah, I just feel like shoulder injuries are less common now.
00:58:54
Yeah.
00:58:55
Okay.
00:58:56
Okay, let me.
00:58:57
So who wants to be a millionaire?
00:58:59
Style.
00:59:00
Sure.
00:59:01
Oh, you've picked one.
00:59:03
A.
00:59:04
Well, this was always going to happen.
00:59:07
It's a screw Prado.
00:59:08
We all knew he would get injured.
00:59:10
Presume you're not taking that one.
00:59:12
B.
00:59:13
This is fine.
00:59:14
It's not a serious injury.
00:59:15
He was going to have to take his lumps.
00:59:18
He'll be back and continue learning.
00:59:20
C.
00:59:22
This is worrying.
00:59:23
Bench him until outdoors.
00:59:25
We should all be super concerned.
00:59:27
Just protect him until outdoors.
00:59:29
Or D.
00:59:30
Let's end the show.
00:59:32
I guess of those I'm more on the on the side of C.
00:59:39
Protect him till outdoors, I guess, but.
00:59:41
Oh, okay.
00:59:42
I thought B was the most.
00:59:43
No, because natural B.
00:59:45
My concern with B.
00:59:47
Is the out and in in 10 seconds.
00:59:51
The bait was the dislocated shoulder.
00:59:53
It's good.
00:59:55
But that happening that quick and that easy is not necessarily good.
00:59:59
My shoulder popped out and then it's back in.
01:00:02
Well, we don't know how easy.
01:00:04
I don't know if it was.
01:00:05
Well, he made it sound like.
01:00:06
Yeah, it was out for 10 seconds and then I got it back in.
01:00:09
That's how he said it.
01:00:10
But Prado is very quick to brush off any sort of concern.
01:00:15
He's very quick to get out.
01:00:17
That was fine.
01:00:18
I tried to joke with him about his start in the main event in San Diego.
01:00:22
Because he obviously went to the other queue and he's very quick.
01:00:25
No, my start is fine.
01:00:26
It's okay.
01:00:27
Yes, I thought he would struggle a little bit and maybe have a crash and maybe get hurt.
01:00:35
But to me, I was like, you know, if he crashes and let's say he breaks his hand or a collarbone or something like that, very easily to take a month off,
01:00:46
recover.
01:00:47
He gets back to himself.
01:00:48
No problem.
01:00:49
Yeah, essentially, you want to see an injury where he got X injury.
01:00:54
The recovery time is six weeks and then he comes back.
01:00:57
You don't like the gray area of this dislocated shoulder.
01:01:00
I do not know because he could come back next week potentially and be perfectly fine and strong.
01:01:06
But if it's, if this is the start of a long list of problems with his shoulder, we'll always go back to, well, remember when he landed on the net and pulled it out of the A2.
01:01:15
You know what I mean?
01:01:16
Like, I don't think we would say that if he broke his collarbone.
01:01:19
I remember when he smacked the ground and broke his collarbone.
01:01:21
Well, I do think it's positive how quickly it went in and I do from who I've spoken to.
01:01:25
I've not spoken to Prado, but I've spoken to other people.
01:01:27
They are going to take the very, very safe route with this.
01:01:31
They are not rushing him back.
01:01:33
They will take their time.
01:01:34
They will get the tests.
01:01:36
There's no way in my opinion you see Prado on a supercross track until they have catagoric proof that it is okay.
01:01:43
Okay.
01:01:44
Even if Prado himself pushes, I think Kawasaki will push back and be like, no.
01:01:48
Now, in the same breath, in no way do I think they hold him until outdoors.
01:01:53
I just think that realistically he probably could race at Glendale and be fine.
01:02:00
But there's risk that comes with that and I don't think they're taking that risk.
01:02:03
Yeah.
01:02:04
And, you know, to be honest, like my synopsis of Prado through two and a quarter rounds now, I guess, is that like other than some times in the whoops,
01:02:14
for the most part, he hasn't looked like he has no idea what he's doing out there.
01:02:20
You know what I mean?
01:02:21
Which I think is what a lot of people thought was going to lead to an injury.
01:02:26
I think that this is, I don't want to call it a freak incident because I think that that probably did come down to.
01:02:31
He's not comfortable timing a quad, which he's never done until this year, probably.
01:02:36
But, like, I just don't think that you can chalk it up to like, wow, he's just way out of control.
01:02:42
And this is going to happen any second kind of thing.
01:02:45
So, yeah, my biggest takeaway from his supercross so far is that his gear has been sick.
01:02:51
Big pink fan.
01:02:53
Yeah, big pink fan, big pink fan, especially on Cowie.
01:02:56
Blue on Suzuki, pink on Cowie.
01:03:02
And others.
01:03:05
What about pink on Barsha with the gas gas?
01:03:05
Nice to sit the red and the pink.
01:03:08
It's to the color family is too similar.
01:03:10
Okay.
01:03:11
All right.
01:03:12
Yeah.
01:03:14
All right.
01:03:15
Well, that's an interview topic if you want it to be in the end of the show.
01:03:18
If you'd like it to be, should we do our predictions?
01:03:20
Yep.
01:03:21
You can go first this time.
01:03:22
Okay.
01:03:23
Triple crown.
01:03:24
I'm going to push you for.
01:03:26
I don't want jet makes a podium.
01:03:28
Okay, triple crown surprise.
01:03:31
Hunter Lawrence wins one of the triple crown races.
01:03:34
Yeah, we go.
01:03:35
I'll take that.
01:03:36
Okay.
01:03:37
Disappointment.
01:03:40
Disappointment.
01:03:44
Gosh.
01:03:48
Do you have one bad race in one of them?
01:03:59
I mean, actually, no, it's fine.
01:04:02
Like outside of top 15, like has a crash or something.
01:04:05
That's essentially a DNF.
01:04:07
Well, that's what I mean.
01:04:08
Yeah.
01:04:09
I will go.
01:04:11
You can veto this because maybe this isn't good enough.
01:04:15
Okay.
01:04:16
But he didn't win the triple crown.
01:04:18
He just won a main.
01:04:19
So it could be a surprise that he actually is consistently good through all of them.
01:04:23
And it is in February.
01:04:27
Okay.
01:04:28
As we theorize, he's great in January.
01:04:30
But Glendale was a February last year.
01:04:33
Yeah.
01:04:34
Well, whatever.
01:04:35
Okay.
01:04:36
And also, also, Keller, you've been open to counter worms.
01:04:42
Here we go.
01:04:43
He has not won in January since 2022.
01:04:48
In fact, in the last, you agreed with me.
01:04:52
I don't want this pushback.
01:04:54
No, I don't know if we said January start a season.
01:04:57
No, we said January at some point.
01:04:59
But if you go back, since the arm injury, a majority, the most of his wins have come in February.
01:05:07
Okay.
01:05:08
So.
01:05:09
And your disappointment.
01:05:11
Um, let's see.
01:05:18
Let's see.
01:05:22
I will go.
01:05:23
Can I?
01:05:24
No, that's not good enough.
01:05:26
I will go Eli Tomac doesn't make the podium.
01:05:28
And I think that's acceptable because he's so good at Glendale and so good at triple crowns.
01:05:33
Yeah.
01:05:34
Maybe that's too bland.
01:05:35
Well, there's a very surprising disappointment.
01:05:37
I would say if it happens.
01:05:39
So does that count as floating with the edge enough?
01:05:42
Yeah, it's fine because if he doesn't, if Eli does a podium Glendale, I think people would be like, huh?
01:05:47
I'm expecting Eli to win because Glendale and triple crown.
01:05:50
Like, this is Eli's event.
01:05:52
But starts question marks sliding halfway down the start straight away.
01:05:55
But it's not going to rain this weekend in the stadium.
01:05:57
Well, that's, that's the most interesting part.
01:05:59
Is I feel like Jett and Eli to an extent.
01:06:02
Um, more so Jett.
01:06:04
Yeah.
01:06:05
But there are, there are questions with starts with everyone at this point.
01:06:07
No one's really been a apart from maybe Kenny.
01:06:10
No one has been a consistent great star.
01:06:13
Sure.
01:06:14
Okay.
01:06:15
I like your picks.
01:06:16
Before we go, I want to hit you with trivia because I told you I would have trivia for you last week that I forgot.
01:06:22
So famously, Ricky Carmichael never won a one.
01:06:27
Remember?
01:06:28
Yeah.
01:06:29
Chase Sexton did win at a high one and he was riding with the number four.
01:06:34
Right?
01:06:35
At a one this year.
01:06:37
Can you remember the last time a number four one and a high one?
01:06:40
No.
01:06:41
Okay.
01:06:42
All right.
01:06:43
Well, I just figured you would fancy a guess.
01:06:45
No.
01:06:46
We see him a lot in the pits last couple of weeks, by the way.
01:06:51
Steve?
01:06:52
No.
01:06:53
Steve.
01:06:54
Steve winning a one.
01:06:55
Uh, that's funny.
01:06:56
You don't know the answer?
01:06:57
No.
01:06:58
Okay.
01:06:59
Cool.
01:07:00
Great.
01:07:01
Good talk.
01:07:02
Well, you don't, you don't want to know the answer.
01:07:04
Who said I didn't want to know the answer.
01:07:06
I said, I don't want to know the answer.
01:07:08
You said, oh, I thought you said you don't want to guess.
01:07:10
Okay.
01:07:11
The answer is 1999 as a lusk.
01:07:14
Oh, and yeah, no.
01:07:16
No.
01:07:17
No.
01:07:18
But I did actually have something that I never talked about, which was weird.
01:07:26
Before this year, it's weird that like jettied one, Anaheim won once.
01:07:31
Eli had won Anaheim won once.
01:07:33
And Chase had not won it.
01:07:35
No.
01:07:36
He was considering what?
01:07:37
And now he has.
01:07:38
Yeah, but like considering Eli, Chase, Jett are like the, and webs never won it.
01:07:44
So considering those four of a big four, and they've all been around, well collectively, they've been around for a long time.
01:07:51
To have such a small Anaheim won win sample from the big four.
01:07:55
Weird.
01:07:56
Anyway, moving on.
01:07:57
Yeah.
01:07:58
Well, Jett, I don't know that.
01:07:59
Just including Jett's fairies one for two there collectively as a group.
01:08:03
Yes.
01:08:04
That rock son guy.
01:08:05
He's always starting great in January, as we said.
01:08:07
Yeah, I guess.
01:08:08
Yeah, I guess it is there.
01:08:09
It's a rock son and Barsha.
01:08:10
And Barsha.
01:08:11
Yeah.
01:08:12
All right.
01:08:13
That's our show.
01:08:14
Big shout out to Nomura, Raysec Bartzilla for backing the show.
01:08:17
Good dancers today.
01:08:18
And man, triple crown is going to be so interesting this weekend.
01:08:21
Can't wait for it.
01:08:22
Lewis, I wish I could go with you, buddy.
01:08:24
But alas, I will look, look forward to the recap from the press box on our show next week.
01:08:28
And get ready for East Coast as well, too.
01:08:29
Next week as well.
01:08:30
So that would be fun.
01:08:31
Yeah, the next week will be heavy East Coast tour.
01:08:32
I imagine.
01:08:33
Heavy.
01:08:34
A lot of the East Coast discussion.
01:08:35
All right.
01:08:36
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01:08:37
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