In this episode of The RISE Leadership Podcast, Jeremy and Phil sit down with Brennan Washington—former Cross Church staff member and now a church planter in Kentucky—for a powerful conversation on spiritual leadership that lasts. Brennan shares wisdom on consistency through seasons, the prayer life that anchors a leader, and what it means to honor a legacy while stepping into your own calling.

Reflecting on the recent loss of an amazing father-in-law, Brennan opens up about the grief, gratitude, and growth that come with continuing a legacy. We also talk about the tension and humility required to lead people who are more gifted than you, and why spiritual leadership is less about charisma and more about character and commitment.

Whether you’re leading in the church, the marketplace, or your home, this conversation will encourage you to stay rooted, stay faithful, and play the long game.

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