Rafiel Torre will spend the rest of his life in prison. David Garza is free after spending 12 years behind bars. Both came to magic after being sentenced for their crimes. Now, they perform for audiences—one inside prison walls and one outside. How does magic look when stage props are contraband? When your cellmates don’t want to look foolish? Or when the correctional officers think you’re up to no good? In this fascinating episode, Jay speaks with Rafiel from a prison phone, and with David Garza from his new life back in the real world.