Things get real dark, real quick as John Walker comes for the Flag-Smashers on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Episode 4, “The Whole World is Watching.” With the Dora Milaje on the hunt for Zemo, the pressure is on for Sam and Bucky to try to turn Karli Morganthau, or take her down. And once the new Captain America and Battlestar get into the mix, things get complicated — and tragic. Let’s break down all the Turkish delight — sorry, Easter eggs, Marvel comic book references and much more.

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Full Episode Transcript

Alex:                 Welcome to MarvelVision, a podcast about Marvel, the MCU, and right now, Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I’m Alex.

Justin:              I’m Justin.

Pete:                I’m Pete.

Alex:                 And we are going to be talking about the fourth episode of the series, The Whole World is Watching. And it is true, this is a big show, lots of people watching, the whole world in fact, has been tuning in for every episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. And that’s what the title is mostly about, is the ratings for the show, which we know of course are through the roof. So that’s very exciting.

Justin:              That’s right. Anytime you can just guess about your ratings and throw that in the title.

Pete:                It’s a boss move, it’s a boss move for sure.

Justin:              It’s a baller move. Like of shows are like, “Whoops, no one watched and we’re canceled. Episode four.”

Alex:                 That was my favorite show for a really long time. I wish they hadn’t titled it that because I feel like more people have watched and it wouldn’t have gotten cancelled.

Justin:              Anytime you can throw a “Whoops” in there at the beginning of anything, you’re really speaking to the people.

Alex:                 It was actually originally called, “Whoops Friends.”

Justin:              Whoops, we’re friends. I mean that’s sort of what it was about.

Alex:                 Kind of, they just met. They were on a break.

Justin:              Whoops, we’re podcasters. That’s us. That’s what this is.

Alex:                 Now requisite spoiler warning here. If you haven’t watched the fourth episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier please go do that because we’re going to spoil the heck out of it. But first a little pluggy poo over here of this-

Justin:              Pluggy poo? We have not vetted that term.

Pete:                And what just happened?

Alex:                 I’m just playing around with some stuff.

Justin:              Sorry, Alex its just son who’s talking right now?

Alex:                 If you haven’t checked it out already, we did an interview with Olli Haaskivi, who is the actor who played Dr. Wilfred Nagel on the last episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Now, if you’re only subscribed, we rolled this out a bunch of different places. We usually roll these episodes out in the Comic Book Club feed and then the Marvel Vision feed. The Olli Haaskivi episode is exclusive to the Marvel Vision feed. So if you’re listening on Podcasts, go check it out over there. It was super fun. And I think we got a lot of interesting information about how it works, particularly for one scene or slightly more than one scene actor on a Marvel show. I thought it was-

Pete:                It was really cool to talk to him. And after talking to him and then kind of re-watching his stuff, he’s a really good actor, like what he is and then what he became. Wow. Pretty awesome.

Alex:                 I mean, I’ll tell you when I was putting together the thumbnail for the episode and grabbed the still of Dr. Wilfred Nagel, I looked at it and there was a brief moment of like, “Is this not the guy? Would somebody do a weird prank to get us interview somebody as a fake Dr. Wilfred Nagel?”

Justin:              But honestly, I think a lot of the interview really lets us in on the acting process.

Alex:                 Yeah, you were very excited to talk acting with somebody.

Justin:              As a classically trained actor. I’ve talked to YouTube bozos.

Alex:                 You were like, “Ooh! Yeah, I know what you’re talking about!”

Justin:              I was not woo-hooing.

Alex:                 You were like a little boy jumping up and down talking to him.

Justin:              Sure, I was jumping up and down a little bit and going like this.

Alex:                 “I know what you’re talking about!”

Justin:              Definitely. And getting into this episode, we’re talking about today, our guy was in the Previously On just dominating.

Alex:                 He was. I was like, “That’s our best friend right there.”

Justin:              That’s exactly what I said.

Alex:                 Whoops! Friends.

Justin:              Whoops, we’re friends.

Alex:                 So, let’s talk about this episode. Lots of stuff going on in this one. Interestingly, not a lot of Easter eggs necessarily. You know, we’ve been talking about the Easter eggs, the Marvel comics references. There were a couple there, but it wasn’t the speculation, a million thing that we’ve expected from Wanda Vision, not even the level of the last couple of episodes of Falcon and the Winter Soldier, though, there are a couple of things. Pete, what did you want to call out? What’s the Easter Egg? [crosstalk 00:04:01 ] that they went to Wakanda? That was a good Easter egg.

Pete:                But don’t spoil all the things I want to talk about at once you fucking dick, but I was going to say Zemo was hiding candy like it was Easter. So come on. [crosstalk 00:04:13 ].

Alex:                 Well, that actually was the one thing that I felt like was a weird little Easter egg there. I don’t know about you guys, but I associate Turkish Delight most with the Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. And I think if you’ve read the book or you’ve seen the movie, you know what it is, it’s this candy that he has there, but it’s one of those things that I think everybody that I’ve ever talked to have the same experience reading The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, because you hear about the White Queen gives Turkish Delight to this character, Edmund and tempts him and brings him over to her side and you hear about it, but they don’t describe it. And it’s this mysterious thing from childs that have- it’s clearly the most delicious candy of all time, but you have no idea what it is.

Justin:              And honestly, in reading the book, I imagined it as sort of like a brownie because I love brownies. And I feel like it’s the kind of thing at that age where it’s like, what would tempt you to go with the bad guy? And I was like, “Well, brownies would, that’s for sure.”

Pete:                At one point I was like, “Are we just in a giant ad for Turkish Delight right now? Like, this show is basically hinging on how great Turkish Delight is.”

Alex:                 So I’ll tell you what, it’s not great.

Justin:              The actual candy Turkish Delight, it’s like a Jolly Rancher, basically.

Pete:                Hey, Jolly Ranchers aren’t bad.

Alex:                 No, it’s fine. [crosstalk 00:05:29 ]

Justin:              You’re not going evil for a Jolly Rancher.

Alex:                 If someone like Baron Zemo would take a bunch of Turkish Delights, throw it at me, I would be like, “All right. I’ll tell you literally whatever you want.”

Justin:              I’ll invite you to my friend’s secret funeral.

Alex:                 Depending on how hungry I am, I might.

Justin:              Hungry? For a Jolly Rancher? That’s not a meal. Jolly Rancher’s an anti-meal.

Alex:                 I’ll tell you what, we’re getting wildly off track here. But I have one cavity that I’ve gotten filled in, in my entire life. That was because there was a period of time I had a sack of Jolly Ranchers and I was like, “Well, I could just have these instead of-“

Pete:                A sack? Are you Santa Claus? Who walks around with a sack?

Alex:                 I got a huge variety pack of Jolly Ranchers. And I was home and instead of brushing my teeth, I was like, “I’ll just pop a Jolly Rancher.”

Pete:                How is that instead of brushing your teeth?

Alex:                 In my head it was like gum or mints, but instead I was having a Jolly Rancher and it just didn’t occur to me and I got a cavity.

Pete:                You went to Cornell. How are you this dumb?

Justin:              And you used to floss with Twizzlers, right?

Alex:                 Big gaps in my teeth.

Justin:              Wow. Only one cavity. I’ve had way more cavities. And I always blame it on, I grew up on well water, which doesn’t ha