＜p＞While most music industry coverage focuses on (poly)crisis and collapse, Mary Spender argues we’re living through the greatest era for independent artists in history.＜/p＞

＜p＞But, but but... what about streaming economics, venue closures, and platform dependence? Don’t worry, we get into it.＜/p＞

＜p＞With over 100 million YouTube views, 34,000 newsletter subscribers, and significant album sales achieved before releasing a single track to streaming, Mary demonstrates there are viable alternatives to industry doom-spiralling.＜/p＞

＜p＞In this conversation, she reveals her strategies for converting YouTube viewers into album buyers, why artists need to think like entrepreneurs, and what she’d build with Spotify’s $400 million Joe Rogan budget.＜/p＞

＜p＞Sean also asks her about her recent video about why artists should embrace YouTube. Speaking of which, you will be able to see clips from this interview over on Drowned in Sound’s YouTube: ＜a href=”https://www.youtube.com/@DrownedinSound” target=”_blank” rel=”ugc noopener noreferrer”＞youtube.com/@DrownedinSound＜/a＞＜/p＞

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＜p＞＜strong＞Timestamps＜/strong＞＜/p＞
＜p＞00:00 Sean’s Intro＜br＞
03:21 What will music be like in 2050?＜br＞
06:25 Why artists should think like entrepreneurs＜br＞
12:45 What does the future hold for independent artists?＜br＞
16:56 The 1000 true fan theory＜br＞
18:51 Should YouTube be the #1 platform for musicians?＜br＞
24:36 Researching with an open mind. A rare skillset?＜br＞
29:45 How to convert an audience from YouTube＜br＞
34:17 What can the UK government do for music?＜br＞
36:35 How would Mary spend the $400 million Spotify paid Joe Rogan?＜br＞
38:39 Is long-form content on the return?＜br＞
43:29 Sean’s Outro＜/p＞

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＜p＞＜strong＞Quotable Moments＜/strong＞＜br＞
＜em＞”Technically it’s never been a better time to be a musician than today, even though everyone likes to talk about the heyday. But that was for a very lucky few.”＜/em＞＜br＞
＜em＞”If you don’t have the grassroots, you don’t have the artists in Wembley Stadium. Like you don’t have that trajectory.”＜/em＞＜/p＞

＜p＞＜strong＞Continue the Conversation＜/strong＞＜br＞
📧 Email sean@drownedinsound.org with your questions for future episodes＜br＞
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＜p＞＜strong＞Guest Links＜/strong＞＜br＞
＜a href=”https://youtube.com/maryspender” target=”_blank” rel=”ugc noopener noreferrer”＞Mary Spender’s YouTube Channel＜/a＞＜br＞
＜a href=”https://maryspender.com” target=”_blank” rel=”ugc noopener noreferrer”＞Mary’s website and newsletter＜/a＞＜br＞
＜a href=”https://nebula.tv/maryspender” target=”_blank” rel=”ugc noopener noreferrer”＞The Dire Straits Documentary on Nebula＜/a＞＜/p＞

＜p＞＜strong＞Referenced in Episode＜/strong＞＜br＞
＜a href=”https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/” target=”_blank” rel=”ugc noopener noreferrer”＞Kevin Kelly’s ”1000 True Fans” essay＜/a＞＜/p＞

＜p＞＜strong＞About the Host:＜/strong＞ Sean Adams is the founder of Drowned in Sound (est. 2000), manages artists including Charlotte Church and The Anchoress, and has worked with BBC 6 Music. Through this podcast, he maps the future of music by exploring culture, politics, and the systems shaping how we create and consume music. At its peak, Drowned in Sound had over 3 million readers. Stay tuned for details about its 25th anniversary celebrations.＜/p＞